"Brooklyn nikkas is hardcore, except for Jay-Z and them nikkas" - Big Pun

[DarkmanX]

It was a quick beef, Fat Joe did a show in BK and his car got stolen was calling around to find out who did it. M.O.P. was like well, we the carjackers, so what's up? But they told Joe they had nothing to do with it, but they found the guys who took it and got it back for him. But it was tense.

Oh right. Now i vaguely remember hearing that story somewhere (maybe Juan Epstein?).

 

[King P]

He was coo here and there but had 0 replay value

He was basically the Puerto Rican Canibus

 

[Michael's Black Son]

Jay wasn't touching Pun lyrically but Pun wasn't touching Jay's wordplay. It probably would have eventually happen if Pun didn't die

This. Pun would’ve been too much of a damn problem and off speed and wordplay alone. And trying to diss him for being obese wasn’t a viable option either

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Dame basically describing how nikkas thought of Brooklyn nikkas in the 90s

 

[Piffery]

Jesus I can't believe people here think Puns fit to shine Jay's shoes.
The first verse of Allure>Pun lyrically.

Vol. 2 was lowkey ass....let it go people

Myth.
Vol.2 is a great album, filled with bangers.
The Blueprint 2 is trash, only has five good songs and it's aged poorly, just like half of Vol.1 is bad and aged poorly, along with Vol.3.
I'l never understand this idea that Vol.2 is the album of Jay's that's aged badly, other than maybe Paper Chase there isn't a dull song that people can't vibe to today.
I think it's a reaction to the album being pop, rather than qualty, it's near perfect.

 

[Zero]

Jesus I can't believe people here think Puns fit to shine Jay's shoes.
The first verse of Allure>Pun lyrically.

Myth.
Vol.2 is a great album, filled with bangers.
The Blueprint 2 is trash, only has five good songs and it's aged poorly, just like half of Vol.1 is bad and aged poorly, along with Vol.3.
I'l never understand this idea that Vol.2 is the album of Jay's that's aged badly, other than maybe Paper Chase there isn't a dull song that people can't vibe to today.
I think it's a reaction to the album being pop, rather than qualty, it's near perfect.

Fake news!

I've only ever liked 4 songs off of Vol. 2 and Bleek's intro was one of them.

Vol. 3 was a strong album for the most part...I don't care what anybody says. Songs like "There's Been A Murder" aint no accident.

Spoiler

But if you really wanna hate on Pun, hate that sophomore slump of a second album people only let slide because he died :iseeu:

 

[MisterMajesty]

Fat Joe and Masta Ace, Papoose, M.O.P., Jay-Z
Big Pun and Jay-Z, Biggie to an extent
Big Daddy Kane and Slick Rick
Remy Ma and Foxy Brown
Jay-Z and Jim Jones

Ey? what's this bout?

 

[FreshAIG]

Ey? what's this bout?

They used to be best friends, they’re cool again now but they had beef for a long time after the Public Enemy tour because they were suppose to alternate between who co headlined but Slick Rick was purposely showing up late so he could co headline. Kane confronted him about it and Slick Rick pulled out a gun on him. Mister Cee talks about it on his part 2 with Juan Epstein.

 

[Piffery]

Fake news!

I've only ever liked 4 songs off of Vol. 2 and Bleek's intro was one of them.

Vol. 3 was a strong album for the most part...I don't care what anybody says. Songs like "There's Been A Murder" aint no accident.

Spoiler

But if you really wanna hate on Pun, hate that sophomore slump of a second album people only let slide because he died :iseeu:

Vol.3 has more forgettable songs and terrible verses like the one where Jay does the Michael Jackson verse and says he puts two up sluts butts and gives young hoes peepee.
Songs like Snoopys Track and Watch Me were forgettable, meanwhile Vol.2 has hits like Money Cash Hoes (lifes enigma) and Can I Get A, Reservoir Dogs is a better posse cut than the posse cut on Vol.3 tho Jay kills his verse on both (we don't engage in war we elope, orange juice style beat nikkas to the pulp), the beats on Vol.3 sound dusty for the most part as well.
Track by track Vol.2 is just superior to me.

And sure I'll attack Yeah Baby, but half of Capital Punishment is seriously not good and shows his weakness as a rapper yet people think he's near Jay.
Disgusting.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

facts jay got hoed so much. he still better than pun tho

agreed

 

[Soundwave]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the friction between Pun and Jay really started when Jay wanted an exorbitant amount of money for a guest verse on Capital Punishment

Nope. Cuban Link said Jay was even there that night. He said Bleek smashed a bottle over a TS guys head, and they chased the Roc nikkas out the club

Later on, Fat Joe and Pun chased Jay around a couch during a meeting but they never hit him with a bottle.

Why did Joe not chase him one way and Pun go the other way around the couch?

They would have caught him quickly, rather than this comedy skit scenario of them all running around the couch!

Funny to imagine but I don’t believe it actually happened.

The visuals are killing me

 

[Wacky D]

Yep, Joe was hating because he felt Jay became a star rapping the life he was living (Joe sounds salty as fukk if that's really true).

Which makes me wonder how things would have been if Big was alive. Because Joe and Big were cool with each other. And you got Jay being Big's man and Pun being Joe's

neither jay-z nor biggie were cut like that. this would've never went down. jay didn't get bold with the disses until he had state property to hide behind. and biggie wouldn't want any problems.

besides, I doubt jay & biggie were crew like that to be randomly taking on each other's inner-city beefs. realistically, it would've been jay & sauce money teaming up. but I could definitely see biggie stepping in to squash the beef tho. he was good for that, plus like you said - he was cool with fat joe.

 

[Big Boss]

 

[Rollie Forbes]

Cuban Linx said Pun loved Jay, he only started hating Jay because Joe didn't like Jay so he took on Joe's beef.

Loyalty

 

[pointproven214]

Big punisher is to me and always will be better lyrically then Jay z