"Brooklyn nikkas is hardcore, except for Jay-Z and them nikkas" - Big Pun
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LunaticVillage415
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I actually get what Pun is saying and its a hard diss to be honest. 
Jay always seemed more like a Harlem nikka in retrospect. Jay was on that flashy get money get fresh shyt. Even Dame Dash said that before he met Jay, he thought he was going to be a stereotypical grimey Brooklyn dude because all he thought about when BK was mentioned was Filas and big guns. But when he met Jay in person he thought he was cool because he had Uptowns on (Air Force 1s).
Look at most Brooklyn rappers, they have a grimey image
(i.e. M.O.P., Smif 'N Wessun, Black Moon, Group Home). Before Puffy coached Biggie's Versace, Coogi player image, Big was on some grimey army fatigues and Timbs stick up kid/nickel and dime d-boy shyt. Even AZ seemed more grimey than Jay and they have similar styles and personalities.
I noticed in big world class cities, Uptown hoods are more of the fly flashy money getters draped in designer everything. Where I'm from in SF, the Fillmoe is full of the legendary pimps and fly guys whereas the tucked away hoods in the southern half of the city (i.e. Lakeview, Sunnydale, Hunters Point) are full of the dirty grimey nikkas who will rob and murk anything on site.
Same thing with DC. Uptown is where everybody was on super expensive designer shyt whereas Southeast is where you are most likely to get your head bust by super hood nikkas who don't give a fukk about Balenciaga unless they're removing it from your body by force.
Jay never struck me as a grimey Brooklyn nikka. Reasonable Doubt don't have the raw sound of Enta Da Stage, Dah Shinin or even Doe or Die. Couldn't imagine an early 90s Hov waking up to a 40, throwing on an Army fatigue jacket with the matching pants and robbing nikkas all day.
Not to say Brooklyn don't got fly guy big money getters, but that's more Harlem identity. Why you think Dame and Hov got along so well?
Jay always seemed more like a Harlem nikka in retrospect. Jay was on that flashy get money get fresh shyt. Even Dame Dash said that before he met Jay, he thought he was going to be a stereotypical grimey Brooklyn dude because all he thought about when BK was mentioned was Filas and big guns. But when he met Jay in person he thought he was cool because he had Uptowns on (Air Force 1s).Look at most Brooklyn rappers, they have a grimey image
(i.e. M.O.P., Smif 'N Wessun, Black Moon, Group Home). Before Puffy coached Biggie's Versace, Coogi player image, Big was on some grimey army fatigues and Timbs stick up kid/nickel and dime d-boy shyt. Even AZ seemed more grimey than Jay and they have similar styles and personalities.I noticed in big world class cities, Uptown hoods are more of the fly flashy money getters draped in designer everything. Where I'm from in SF, the Fillmoe is full of the legendary pimps and fly guys whereas the tucked away hoods in the southern half of the city (i.e. Lakeview, Sunnydale, Hunters Point) are full of the dirty grimey nikkas who will rob and murk anything on site.
Same thing with DC. Uptown is where everybody was on super expensive designer shyt whereas Southeast is where you are most likely to get your head bust by super hood nikkas who don't give a fukk about Balenciaga unless they're removing it from your body by force.Jay never struck me as a grimey Brooklyn nikka. Reasonable Doubt don't have the raw sound of Enta Da Stage, Dah Shinin or even Doe or Die. Couldn't imagine an early 90s Hov waking up to a 40, throwing on an Army fatigue jacket with the matching pants and robbing nikkas all day.
Not to say Brooklyn don't got fly guy big money getters, but that's more Harlem identity. Why you think Dame and Hov got along so well?
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Homer Simpson
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I actually get what Pun is saying and its a hard diss to be honest.
Look at most Brooklyn rappers, they have a grimey image
I noticed in big world class cities, Uptown hoods are more of the fly flashy money getters draped in designer everything. Where I'm from in SF, the Fillmoe is full of the legendary pimps and fly guys whereas the tucked away hoods in the southern half of the city (i.e. Lakeview, Sunnydale, Hunters Point) are full of the dirty grimey nikkas who will rob and murk anything on site.
Jay never struck me as a grimey Brooklyn nikka. Reasonable Doubt don't have the raw sound of Enta Da Stage, Dah Shinin or even Doe or Die. Couldn't imagine an early 90s Hov waking up to a 40, throwing on Army fatigue jacket with the matching pants and robbing nikkas all day.
cam used to say that about jay z
Nas also made Pun go at Jay 
General Mills
More often than not I tend to take that L.
Pun would of slapped Jay Z with a 1000 pounds of pressure per slap
Waterproof
Warrior Lifestyle
He said it in his opening bars too!
That's Hiphop. Only insecure nikkas catch a stray and then feelings aka Jay on Nas stray on The Message
I wouldnt go that far but its highly overrated imo. Its a solid/good album. But people talking about
it being a masterpiece is bogus to me. I just cant see it.
And i agree with @FreshAIG, i like Capital Punishment better.
There's about a million black people in Brooklyn, like 200k in Harlem.I actually get what Pun is saying and its a hard diss to be honest.
Look at most Brooklyn rappers, they have a grimey image
I noticed in big world class cities, Uptown hoods are more of the fly flashy money getters draped in designer everything. Where I'm from in SF, the Fillmoe is full of the legendary pimps and fly guys whereas the tucked away hoods in the southern half of the city (i.e. Lakeview, Sunnydale, Hunters Point) are full of the dirty grimey nikkas who will rob and murk anything on site.
Jay never struck me as a grimey Brooklyn nikka. Reasonable Doubt don't have the raw sound of Enta Da Stage, Dah Shinin or even Doe or Die. Couldn't imagine an early 90s Hov waking up to a 40, throwing on an Army fatigue jacket with the matching pants and robbing nikkas all day.
There's more of everything from Brooklyn, more fly get money nikkas, more goons, more snitches, more real ones, more squares, more normal people and on.
The only thing that Harlem might lead in is chatty patty's/shyt talkers
Other than that, I agree, Jay didn't portray a hard body image, he was more likely one of the dudes that wanted to be Sosa and not Tony when he saw the movie. But as far as street shyt his crew was probably the deepest from Brooklyn. But then again this was when psychotic killers in their early 20s like 50 cent Martin and Henchman could rock suits, smile and were clean cut and shaved and drove cars that dentists had to the club. Obviously not saying that Jay was cut from their cloth though, but I don't believe that pretty boy shyt. Just look at old photos of the goons when there were 2200+ murders in NY and look at them now when it's like less than 300.
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LunaticVillage415
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There's about a million black people in Brooklyn, like 200k in Harlem.
There's more of everything from Brooklyn, more fly get money nikkas, more goons, more snitches, more real ones, more squares, more normal people and on.
The only thing that Harlem might lead in is chatty patty's/shyt talkers
Other than that, I agree, Jay didn't portray a hard body image, he was more likely one of the dudes that wanted to be Sosa and not Tony when he saw the movie. But as far as street shyt his crew was probably the deepest from Brooklyn. But then again this was when psychotic killers in their early 20s like 50 cent Martin and Henchman could rock suits, smile and were clean cut and shaved and drove cars that dentists had to the club. Obviously not saying that Jay was cut from their cloth though, but I don't believe that pretty boy shyt. Just look at old photos of the goons when there were 2200+ murders in NY and look at them now when it's like less than 300.
The saying goes Manhattan keeps on making it and Brooklyn keeps on taking it. It is well known that BK is NY's grimiest borough. Of course not everyone from the old BK is a savage. If Brooklyn were an independent city, it would be the second largest city in America.
But you also have to consider the time period when Jay first really started going hard with the music in 94-95'. Shooters in the 80's might have worn fitted clothes, Gucci and suits, but the NY street image portrayed by rappers in the mid 90's was nothing like that. Everyone in NY was making grimey unpolished raw street music and had the same army fatigue, Timbs, project life image and story from Nas to Mobb Deep to Boot Camp to Wu Tang. Jay stood out from all of them dudes.
Hov helped usher in the Jiggie era of the late 90's and was "the king of champagne bottles" as Nas said. DMX helped usher back the raw NY street aesthetic after Jiggie era Rap became too ubiquitous but Jay stayed in his lane and never switched. But all that pretty boy shyt really started with Big's image being coached by Puffy and others in NYC mostly dudes not from BK. I read an article that said Big traded in his army jackets for Coogi sweaters and Kangols after peeping game from some big money dude from uptown named Walt G.
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To this day, people from other boroughs clown BK for being late on trends and shyt.
And to this day, the roughest parts of NY are still in BK. So you do the math on that one.I'm not disputing anything you are saying, I'm saying that just cause Brooklyn had/has an overwhelming amount of grimey dudes doesn't mean that it doesn't have the most fly get money dudes. Due to size of the borough.The saying goes Manhattan keeps on making it and Brooklyn keeps on taking it. It is well known that BK is NY's grimiest borough. Of course not everyone from the old BK is a savage. If Brooklyn were an independent city, it would be the second largest city in America.
But you also have to consider the time period when Jay first really started going hard with the music in 94-95'. Shooters in the 80's might have worn fitted clothes, Gucci and suits, but the NY street image portrayed by rappers in the mid 90's was nothing like that. Everyone in NY was making grimey unpolished raw street music and had the same army fatigue, Timbs, project life image and story from Nas to Mobb Deep to Boot Camp to Wu Tang. Jay stood out from all of them dudes.
Hov helped usher in the Jiggie era of the late 90's and was "the king of champagne bottles" as Nas said. DMX helped usher back the raw NY street aesthetic after Jiggie era Rap became too ubiquitous but Jay stayed in his lane and never switched. But all that pretty boy shyt really started with Big's image being coached by Puffy and others in NYC mostly dudes not from BK. I read an article that said Big traded in his army jackets for Coogi sweaters and Kangols after peeping game from some big money dude from uptown named Walt G.
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To this day, people from other boroughs clown BK for being late on trends and shyt.
Y’all both right
But it is a generalizing / stereotype