"Brooklyn nikkas is hardcore, except for Jay-Z and them nikkas" - Big Pun

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The saying goes Manhattan keeps on making it and Brooklyn keeps on taking it. It is well known that BK is NY's grimiest borough. Of course not everyone from the old BK is a savage. If Brooklyn were an independent city, it would be the second largest city in America. :whoo:

But you also have to consider the time period when Jay first really started going hard with the music in 94-95'. Shooters in the 80's might have worn fitted clothes, Gucci and suits, but the NY street image portrayed by rappers in the mid 90's was nothing like that. Everyone in NY was making grimey unpolished raw street music and had the same army fatigue, Timbs, project life image and story from Nas to Mobb Deep to Boot Camp to Wu Tang. Jay stood out from all of them dudes.

Hov helped usher in the Jiggie era of the late 90's and was "the king of champagne bottles" as Nas said. DMX helped usher back the raw NY street aesthetic after Jiggie era Rap became too ubiquitous but Jay stayed in his lane and never switched. But all that pretty boy shyt really started with Big's image being coached by Puffy and others in NYC mostly dudes not from BK. I read an article that said Big traded in his army jackets for Coogi sweaters and Kangols after peeping game from some big money dude from uptown named Walt G.

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To this day, people from other boroughs clown BK for being late on trends and shyt. :upsetfavre: And to this day, the roughest parts of NY are still in BK. So you do the math on that one.

I wouldn’t say that
 
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Jay wasn't touching Pun lyrically but Pun wasn't touching Jay's wordplay. It probably would have eventually happen if Pun didn't die :mjcry:
Yeah baby pun sounded like shyt. Breath control GONE and sounded like he was drowning in the booth.

Pun had a small window of time he could match up against Shawn
 

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Yep, Joe was hating because he felt Jay became a star rapping the life he was living (Joe sounds salty as fukk if that's really true).

Which makes me wonder how things would have been if Big was alive. Because Joe and Big were cool with each other. And you got Jay being Big's man and Pun being Joe's :jbhmm:

Jay rapped the life of his friends.

And why would joe be mad at this if true? You groupies man.
 

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Jay rapped the life of his friends.

And why would joe be mad at this if true? You groupies man.
Why would Joe be mad? Idk, maybe the same reason alot of cats feel some type away about a rapper who blows up rapping about a life he never really lived :ohwelp:
 
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