But doesn't the Xbone still have the necessary "spy cam"

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But Microsnitch was the FIRST COMPANY to sign up for that NSA prism program. And legally they can ask MS for your records if they want to. Keep thinking that shyt aint spying on you nikka. They probably getting tax breaks for their snitchin'.... :scusthov:

yea cool story bro they can also get your info from

apple
google (youtube)
yahoo
facebook
AOL
skype (pre ms buyout)


and out of all these yall really up and arms about the X1


:bryan: o wait am sure the main thing on government list is my COD/HALO k/d ratio

am more worried about

apple : imessage anyone????????
yahoo : email/chat/messenger
facebook : everything
MS: email/chat/skype


but dudes really here worried about a gaming console being used to spy on them, when we spend all day/night on computers/laptops/tablets/smartphones which are being tapped RIGHT NOW
 

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yea cool story bro they can also get your info from

apple
google (youtube)
yahoo
facebook
AOL
skype (pre ms buyout)


and out of all these yall really up and arms about the X1


:bryan: o wait am sure the main thing on government list is my COD/HALO k/d ratio

am more worried about

apple : imessage anyone????????
yahoo : email/chat/messenger
facebook : everything
MS: email/chat/skype


but dudes really here worried about a gaming console being used to spy on them, when we spend all day/night on computers/laptops/tablets/smartphones which are being tapped RIGHT NOW

That the flaw in their argument, They just too dumb to realize it.
 

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That the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. They do this all the time. Don't even need a subpoena to it. Detective goes to store owner and ask if he has a recording a certain time frame, Oh yes officer I do!! Dumb ass nikka lol

You're missing the salient point once again.

The detective needs to have known where you were, he needs to find that out, you aren't automatically being tracked. Hell, he even needs to a reason for why he needs to know where you were. He then needs to go to the store and request the footage, if they have it. He then needs to trawl through hours of video to identify the person he's looking for out of the people coming in and out. He is doing this, presumably, as part of an investigation that must follow a procedure and is governed by rules and laws.

This is in stark contrast to what the Xbox One can, and does do and how Prism operates. A dragnet approach that eschews people's human rights to privacy and all the rest and you reason that this is perfectly acceptable just because they can already do it so :yeshrug: fukk it. :why:



but dudes really here worried about a gaming console being used to spy on them, when we spend all day/night on computers/laptops/tablets/smartphones which are being tapped RIGHT NOW

You're right to remember there are others pulling this bullshyt because I think people are worried about the whole subject, but this is a forum that discusses gaming so we're naturally discussing the Xbox One/MS aspect of it.
 

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You're missing the salient point once again.

The detective needs to have known where you were, he needs to find that out, you aren't automatically being tracked. Hell, he even needs to a reason for why he needs to know where you were. He then needs to go to the store and request the footage, if they have it. He then needs to trawl through hours of video to identify the person he's looking for out of the people coming in and out. He is doing this, presumably, as part of an investigation that must follow a procedure and is governed by rules and laws.

This is in stark contrast to what the Xbox One can, and does do and how Prism operates. A dragnet approach that eschews people's human rights to privacy and all the rest and you reason that this is perfectly acceptable just because they can already do it so :yeshrug: fukk it. :why:





You're right to remember there are others pulling this bullshyt because I think people are worried about the whole subject, but this is a forum that discusses gaming so we're naturally discussing the Xbox One/MS aspect of it.

I think you have a real misunderstanding about how the kinect works. It's not constantly taking or sending data. Any data it takes stays with your console, unless you give your explicit consent otherwise.
 

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I think you have a real misunderstanding about how the kinect works. It's not constantly taking or sending data. Any data it takes stays with your console, unless you give your explicit consent otherwise.

Not yet, that bill is being proposed. Whether collected data is going to the government/ad agencies or both is a mute point. Data mining is a huge business in the US, and your ignorant to think the Kinnect would not be used for it.

Xbox One's Kinect may violate proposed government privacy bill

The recently-proposed We Are Watching You Act, which seeks to prevent corporations from storing and sharing personal data, could affect the Xbox One's next-gen Kinect, according to a statement on United States House of Representatives official website.

The bill, proposed by Congressman Michael Capuano (D-MA) and Congressman Walter Jones (R-NC), would require companies to explicitly ask the consumer's permission to store their data. This would necessitate the technology in question, in this case the next-gen Kinect, to display an opt-in message and on-screen warning reading "We are watching you" every time the device begins recording.

The device would also have to inform the user how the data is collected and who will see it. If the user declines to allow the device to record and share, the company — Microsoft in this instance — would have to offer a new service identical to the existing one save for its ability to record.

"This may sound preposterous but it is neither a joke nor an exaggeration," Capuano wrote. "These DVRs would essentially observe consumers as they watch television as a way to super-target ads. It is an incredible invasion of privacy. Given what we have recently learned about the access that the government has to the phone numbers we call, the emails we send and the websites we visit, it is important for consumers to decide for themselves whether they want this technology. Think about what you do in the privacy of your own home and then think about how you would feel sharing that information with your cable company, their advertisers and your government."

"Allowing this type of technology to be installed in the homes of individuals without their consent would be an egregious invasion of privacy," added Jones. "When the government has an unfortunate history of secretly collecting private citizens' information from technology providers, we must ensure that safeguards are in place to protect Americans' rights."

Polygon has reached out to Microsoft and Congressman Capuano and will share more information as we receive it.

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And you have a misunderstanding how the Kinnect works. Once you are signed into Live, you are treated as if you were logged into any other Windows Service; which then means you follow their general Privacy Policy.

Yes you can turn off voice data collection, which blocks your xbox voice commands, but are party conversations a part of voice commands?

And apps like Skype, your eye-movements, heart rate, etc will all be monitored, saved and sent to MS servers; which then will be resold to advertisers or dumped back to NSA.

If you read their terms and policies you'll notice things are worded very carefully. Just like in the past couple weeks when all the big companies came out and said "No we don't let the NSA have direct access to our servers"; which just meant that they dump the info back to them.

Q: Where does Microsoft store data about me, and for how long?
A: Data collected through use of Kinect is stored on Microsoft’s Windows Azure platform for up to three months, after which it will be deleted. During that three-month period, the data will be held for analysis purposes. If chosen for analysis, the data will be rendered into an anonymous state before use.

And what happens if the authorities know a "terrorist" or "person of interest" has an X1? Could they obtain a secret warrant, in a secret court to secretly monitor you?
 

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And look at the article I saw just after posting my comment above:

Skype's secret Project Chess reportedly helped NSA access customers' data | Technology | guardian.co.uk

The programme, called Project Chess and first revealed by the New York Times on Thursday, was said to have been established before Skype was bought by Microsoft in 2011. Microsoft's links with US security are under intense scrutiny following the Guardian's revelation of Prism, a surveillance program run by the National Security Agency (NSA), that claimed "direct" access to its servers and those of rivals including Apple, Facebook and Google.

Project Chess was set up to explore the legal and technical issues involved in making Skype's communications more readily available to law enforcement and security officials, according to the Times. Only a handful of executives were aware of the plan. The company did not immediately return a call for comment.

Last year Skype denied reports that it had changed its software following the Microsoft acquisition in order to allow law enforcement easier access to communications. "Nothing could be more contrary to the Skype philosophy," Mark Gillett, vice president of Microsoft's Skype division, said in a blog post.

According to the Prism documents, Skype had been co-operating with the NSA's scheme since February 2011, eight months before the software giant took it over. The document gives little detail on the technical nature of that cooperation. Microsoft declined to comment.

The news comes as the tech firms are attempting to distance themselves from the Prism revelations. All the firm's listed as participating in the Prism scheme have denied that they give the NSA "direct" access to their servers, as claimed by the slide presentation, and said that they only comply with legal requests made through the courts.

But since the story broke a more nuanced picture of how the tech firms work with the surveillance authorities has emerged. The US authorities have become increasingly interested in tech firms and its employees after initially struggling to keep up with the shift to digital communications. NSA officials have held high level talks with executives in the tech firms and are actively recruiting in the tech community.

'That information is how they make their money'

Shane Harris, author of The Watchers: The Rise of America's Surveillance State, said the NSA had a crisis in the late 1990s when it realised communication was increasingly digital and it was falling behind in its powers to track that data. "You can not overstate that without this data the NSA would be blind," he said.

The NSA employs former valley executives, including Max Kelly, the former chief security officer for Facebook, and has increasingly sought to hire people in the hacker community. Former NSA director lieutenant general Kenneth Minihan has taken the opposite tack and is helping create the next generation of tech security firms. Minihan is managing director of Paladin Capital, a private equity firm that has a fund dedicated to investing in homeland security. Paladin also employs Dr Alf Andreassen, a former technical adviser for naval warfare who was also for classified national programmes at AT&T and Bell Laboratories.

Harris said the ties were only likely to deepen as technology moves ever more of our communications on line. He warned the move was likely to present more problems for the tech firms as their consumers worry about their privacy. "It's been fascinating for me listening to the push back from the tech companies," said Harris.

Christopher Soghoian, a senior policy analyst studying technological surveillance at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the relationship between the tech giants and the NSA has a fundamental – and ironic – flaw that guarantees the Prism scandal is unlikely to be the last time tensions surface between the two.

The US spying apparatus and Silicon Valley's top tech firms are basically in the same business, collecting information on people, he said. "It's a weird symbiotic relationship. It's not that Facebook and Google are trying to build a surveillance system but they effectively have," he said. "If they wanted to, Google and Facebook could use technology to tackle the issue, anonymizing and deleting their customers' information. But that information is how they make their money, so that is never going to happen."
 

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Not yet, that bill is being proposed. Whether collected data is going to the government/ad agencies or both is a mute point. Data mining is a huge business in the US, and your ignorant to think the Kinnect would not be used for it.



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And you have a misunderstanding how the Kinnect works. Once you are signed into Live, you are treated as if you were logged into any other Windows Service; which then means you follow their general Privacy Policy.

Yes you can turn off voice data collection, which blocks your xbox voice commands, but are party conversations a part of voice commands?

And apps like Skype, your eye-movements, heart rate, etc will all be monitored, saved and sent to MS servers; which then will be resold to advertisers or dumped back to NSA.

If you read their terms and policies you'll notice things are worded very carefully. Just like in the past couple weeks when all the big companies came out and said "No we don't let the NSA have direct access to our servers"; which just meant that they dump the info back to them.



And what happens if the authorities know a "terrorist" or "person of interest" has an X1? Could they obtain a secret warrant, in a secret court to secretly monitor you?
Well obviously if you are using Skype or video chat you are consenting that your data be transmited/stored in the cloud. That has nothing to do with Kinect. I'm talking about people claims of it "spying on their living room"
 

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That kinect probably controlled by aliens.They probably sit in a big UFO above the country and crack they knuckles and choose who they want to monitor or fukk with first.Im telling you man the world is a big sim city/the sims game to them.
 

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Well obviously if you are using Skype or video chat you are consenting that your data be transmited/stored in the cloud. That has nothing to do with Kinect. I'm talking about people claims of it "spying on their living room"

I just tweeted xbox support and they sent me this link:
Xbox Wire

You are in control of your personal data: You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission. Here are a few examples of potential future scenarios:
A fitness game could measure heart rate data to provide you with improved feedback on your workout, allow you to track your progress, or even measure calories burned.
A card game could allow you to bluff your virtual opponent using your facial expressions.

But these examples are so generic and they are in a PR diaster right now. They reserve the right to change their terms or verbage at anytime.
 

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:what: it says the data stays with you, what's the problem here?

Until I read the legal terms that are shipped with the X1, I am going to take all of this as generic; unless they give me better examples then a card and/or fitness game.

They just did a 180 on the DRM, who's to say they don't quietly reverse these policies or find loopholes in their own verbage?

The services that Microsoft provides to you are subject to the following Terms of Use ("TOU"). Microsoft reserves the right to update the TOU at any time without notice to you.
 
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