C WEBB "I never celebrated the 4th of July until Obama was elected"

[Ziggiy]

What gray area? It's a known fact that the majority of blacks in this country were slaves. What gets left out is that not every black person in America in the 18th & 19th century was a slave. Some were free, some were indentured servants (which weren't technically slaves, look it up). There is a difference. And the reason I brought that up in the first place was b/c of people like yourself, who don't know your history, yet try to pass off your ignorance as historical fact. If you don't give a fukk about this country or celebrating it, fine, but don't call other folks c00ns b/c of it

I don't recall calling anyone a c00n for celebrating 4th of July

I said that it's NOT something altogether for African Americans to celebrate. Our July 4th is "Juneteenth". There was NO independence for African Americans as a result, so therefore it is not an African AMerican independence day

 

[DPresidential]

Interesting...

Anger & Pride are very strong traits and understandable especially when you really absorb what Black people have endured in this country.

Now...

The fact of the matter is this... This Country gained its independence in 1776. There were problems then, and there are problems now... however the ground work for a Country to be created that organically adapts over the years as opposed to having sweeping archaic government structure was set in 1776.

You could argue that as soon as the Founding Fathers signed on the dotted line, they were already breaking down the barriers of freedom and tolerance that existed then, whether they meant to or not.

Without what was created by those men at the time, there wouldn't have been an oppurtunity for free speech and press showing an unfiltered view on mass discrimination that ran rampant in this country.

The idea of Barack Obama being President wouldn't even fly as a movie plot in a world without an organic constitution.

The idea of putting your life on the line for civil rights wouldn't be comprehensible if the Constitution wasn't made to be changed.

You know what the kicker is?

A person could get more respect for repping a Projects or Hood (A community designed to keep certain demographics stifled) yet, repping a Country that was create dwith change in mind is reprehensible...

Interesting.

 

[AVXL]

I don't recall calling anyone a c00n for celebrating 4th of July

I said that it's NOT something altogether for African Americans to celebrate. Our July 4th is "Juneteenth". There was NO independence for African Americans as a result, so therefore it is not an African AMerican independence day

That's your opinion, however misguided it may be.

You realize that June 19th 1865 was when the LAST slaves in Galveston, TX were freed, not when all slaves were officially freed. So to correct your statement would be to say that although most black slaves were free, it wasn't until June 19th that we were ALL freed. So there was independence before June 19th, just not for slaves in Galveston.

I can see some of y'all really didn't go to school or pay attention to US History, the shyt y'all saying is

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

It's the only real summer holiday...good enough for me :c00n:

 

[AVXL]

Interesting...

Anger & Pride are very strong traits and understandable especially when you really absorb what Black people have endured in this country.

Now...

The fact of the matter is this... This Country gained its independence in 1776. There were problems then, and there are problems now... however the ground work for a Country to be created that organically adapts over the years as opposed to having sweeping archaic government structure was set in 1776.

You could argue that as soon as the Founding Fathers signed on the dotted line, they were already breaking down the barriers of freedom and tolerance that existed then, whether they meant to or not.

Without what was created by those men at the time, there wouldn't have been an oppurtunity for free speech and press showing an unfiltered view on mass discrimination that ran rampant in this country.

The idea of Barack Obama being President wouldn't even fly as a movie plot in a world without an organic constitution.

The idea of putting your life on the line for civil rights wouldn't be comprehensible if the Constitution wasn't made to be changed.

You know what the kicker is?

A person could get more respect for repping a Projects or Hood (A community designed to keep certain demographics stifled) yet, repping a Country that was create dwith change in mind is reprehensible...

Interesting.

The irony is that you have posters who post this trash from places like army forts & have more pride in an online "crew", than celebrating the independence of the nation they were born/live/work in

It's MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of people worldwide who WISH they had the luxury to complain about the shyt we take for granted every day, it's sad, but what can you do? nikkaz believe June 19th is when all slaves were freed & that every black person in American history was a slave until June 19th 1865 so

 

[DPresidential]

The irony is that you have posters who post this trash from places like army forts & have more pride in an online "crew", than celebrating the independence of the nation they were born/live/work in

It's MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of people worldwide who WISH they had the luxury to complain about the shyt we take for granted every day, it's sad, but what can you do? nikkaz believe June 19th is when all slaves were freed & that every black person in American history was a slave until June 19th 1865 so

Real talk it boils down to this...

In certain countries... you speak out against your government/country - curtains for your whole family, AK47 crew run up in the crib...COURTESY of the Government.

Here, people spit on eveything about this Country, Kanye West could say what he said at a televised charity event, yet no unfair recourse.

^ For that... I celebrate July 4th 2013.

And everybody who has the freedom to say "fukk this Country" yall should be the first nikkas BBQ'ing and lighting firecrackers on July 4th 2013, because you appreciate the freedom more than the rest of us.

 

[Ziggiy]

That's your opinion, however misguided it may be.

You realize that June 19th 1865 was when the LAST slaves in Galveston, TX were freed, not when all slaves were officially freed. So to correct your statement would be to say that although most black slaves were free, it wasn't until June 19th that we were ALL freed. So there was independence before June 19th, just not for slaves in Galveston.

I can see some of y'all really didn't go to school or pay attention to US History, the shyt y'all saying is

I understand this. In the Union, slaves were freed effective Jan. 1 1863. As part of the Confederacy Texas did not comply with the Emancipation Proclamation. Juneteenth is the celebration when we ALL were free, including the slaves in Galveston. THIS is the true African American Independence day as ALL slaves were officially freed.

I don't where you get off thinking I don;t have a basic understanding of African American history bruh. Seems you took offense because people are RIGHTLY pointing out that July 4th is no holiday for the celebration of independence for people of color. Again, this is FACT bruh. Yes there were indentured servants, freed negroes, and the like. But taking a look at the FIRST Census conducted in the United States (1790) there were 697,681 Slaves. That's the MAJORITY bruh. Thats the FACT


"What, to the American slave, is your Fourth of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants, brass-fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to Him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy-a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States at this very hour. "

- Fredrick Douglass

#TPC

 

[AVXL]

I understand this. In the Union, slaves were freed effective Jan. 1 1863. As part of the Confederacy Texas did not comply with the Emancipation Proclamation. Juneteenth is the celebration when we ALL were free, including the slaves in Galveston. THIS is the true African American Independence day as ALL slaves were officially freed.

I don't where you get off thinking I don;t have a basic understanding of African American history bruh. Seems you took offense because people are RIGHTLY pointing out that July 4th is no holiday for the celebration of independence for people of color. Again, this is FACT bruh. Yes there were indentured servants, freed negroes, and the like. But taking a look at the FIRST Census conducted in the United States (1790) there were 697,681 Slaves. That's the MAJORITY bruh. Thats the FACT


"What, to the American slave, is your Fourth of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants, brass-fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to Him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy-a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States at this very hour. "

- Fredrick Douglass

#TPC

@ the first bold, again your reasoning that black people can't celebrate the 4th of July b/c of Juneteenth is historical malpractice. Again that's wrong. Black people built this country & have EVERY right to celebrate its freedom & independence. And I told YOU that the majority of blacks in America were slaves. That's not a revelation.

So when did Fredrick Douglass say that? Are you really gonna use 19th century African American ideology & apply it in a 21st century setting? If so, don't pick & choose what info you want to present as fact or fiction.

 

[Ziggiy]

@ the first bold, again your reasoning that black people can't celebrate the 4th of July b/c of Juneteenth is historical malpractice. Again that's wrong. Black people built this country & have EVERY right to celebrate its freedom & independence. And I told YOU that the majority of blacks in America were slaves. That's not a revelation.

So when did Fredrick Douglass say that? Are you really gonna use 19th century African American ideology & apply it in a 21st century setting? If so, don't pick & choose what info you want to present as fact or fiction.

Black people BUILT this country as SLAVES. I personally, see nothing to take pride in being FORCED as a labor mule to build a nation. Do you have the RIGHT to celebrate the 4th? Sure you do, but where's the pride? When 600k plus of our people were SLAVES I'm sure they took ZERO pride in being beaten, raped, lynched, sold,and worked to death.

You didn't tell ME anything, this all I already KNEW.

Fredrick Douglass gave this speech on July 5th 1852. And his "19th Century Logic" on the subject rings as true today as it did back then. Because no matter the century, the TRUTH of the matter is that July 4th, 1776 was NO celebration of independence for slaves

Another Excerpt

"What point in the anti-slavery creed would you have me argue? On what branch of the subject do the people of this country need light? Must I undertake to prove that the slave is a man? That point is conceded already. Nobody doubts it. The slaveholders themselves acknowledge it in the enactment of laws for their government. They acknowledge it when they punish disobedience on the part of the slave. There are seventy-two crimes in the State of Virginia which, if committed by a black man (no matter how ignorant he be), subject him to the punishment of death; while only two of the same crimes will subject a white man to the like punishment. What is this but the acknowledgment that the slave is a moral, intellectual, and responsible being? The manhood of the slave is conceded. It is admitted in the fact that Southern statute books are covered with enactments forbidding, under severe fines and penalties, the teaching of the slave to read or to write. When you can point to any such laws in reference to the beasts of the field, then I may consent to argue the manhood of the slave. When the dogs in your streets, when the fowls of the air, when the cattle on your hills, when the fish of the sea, and the reptiles that crawl, shall be unable to distinguish the slave from a brute, then will I argue with you that the slave is a man!"


#TPC

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

What gray area? It's a known fact that the majority of blacks in this country were slaves. What gets left out is that not every black person in America in the 18th & 19th century was a slave. Some were free, some were indentured servants (which weren't technically slaves, look it up). There is a difference. And the reason I brought that up in the first place was b/c of people like yourself, who don't know your history, yet try to pass off your ignorance as historical fact. If you don't give a fukk about this country or celebrating it, fine, but don't call other folks c00ns b/c of it

I'm fully aware of freed slaves during the 18th and 19th century. What you seem to have a disconnect with is the fact that. Blacks weren't actually freed as slaves until 1865 when the 13 amendment was created to abolish slavery.

You keep bringing up technicalities about slaves that were already free for many different reasons. Which coincides with your believe that U.S Independence has something to do with enslaved blacks at the time in which it does not. That's where the c00nery label came in to play.

I already see where this is going so I'm a let you continue to believe your own rhetoric.

 

[AVXL]

Black people BUILT this country as SLAVES. I personally, see nothing to take pride in being FORCED as a labor mule to build a nation. Do you have the RIGHT to celebrate the 4th? Sure you do, but where's the pride? When 600k plus of our people were SLAVES I'm sure they took ZERO pride in being beaten, raped, lynched, sold,and worked to death.

You didn't tell ME anything, this all I already KNEW.

Fredrick Douglass gave this speech on July 5th 1852. And his "19th Century Logic" on the subject rings as true today as it did back then. Because no matter the century, the TRUTH of the matter is that July 4th, 1776 was NO celebration of independence for slaves

Another Excerpt

"What point in the anti-slavery creed would you have me argue? On what branch of the subject do the people of this country need light? Must I undertake to prove that the slave is a man? That point is conceded already. Nobody doubts it. The slaveholders themselves acknowledge it in the enactment of laws for their government. They acknowledge it when they punish disobedience on the part of the slave. There are seventy-two crimes in the State of Virginia which, if committed by a black man (no matter how ignorant he be), subject him to the punishment of death; while only two of the same crimes will subject a white man to the like punishment. What is this but the acknowledgment that the slave is a moral, intellectual, and responsible being? The manhood of the slave is conceded. It is admitted in the fact that Southern statute books are covered with enactments forbidding, under severe fines and penalties, the teaching of the slave to read or to write. When you can point to any such laws in reference to the beasts of the field, then I may consent to argue the manhood of the slave. When the dogs in your streets, when the fowls of the air, when the cattle on your hills, when the fish of the sea, and the reptiles that crawl, shall be unable to distinguish the slave from a brute, then will I argue with you that the slave is a man!"

So in your world, celebrating the contributions, and all the work that our ancestors did to build this country is irrelevant & unworthy of praise b/c they were enslaved? You don't think they worked & toiled with the hope & prayer that one day their kids or grand kids or great grand kids might enjoy freedom some day in the country they gave their life too. It's a sad sad day when black people willingly disenfranchise themselves & diminish their contributions to redefining freedom in America.

The ironic thing is that our ancestors were probably much more patriotic than we are now & they were disenfranchised, disrespected & hated in their own country. You have these rights & freedoms on the backs of our ancestors, but you're too wrapped up in this bumbling ideology that because we weren't all yet free that it holds no significance

What a dumb way to think

 

[AVXL]

I'm fully aware of freed slaves during the 18th and 19th century. What you seem to have a disconnect with is the fact that. Blacks weren't actually freed as slaves until 1865 when the 13 amendment was created to abolish slavery.

You keep bringing up technicalities about slaves that were already free for many different reasons. Which coincides with your believe that U.S Independence has something to do with enslaved blacks at the time in which it does not. That's where the c00nery label came in to play.

I already see where this is going so I'm a let you continue to believe your own rhetoric.

I told YOU that.

Lets keep it 100 you got mad b/c you ran up in here with a couple smileys, threw the word "c00n" around recklessly & thought you were gonna get some daps. Truth is you've made some very ignorant points & you tried to clean it up after you got called out. You've still failed to make much sense though

What technicalities? Please show an example. Stop making shyt up

Your basic point is what? I'm a c00n b/c I celebrate my country's independence from England?

US independence from England was a LEADING idea among why slaves should be freed in the US. So why would it have nothing to do with enslaved blacks? Are you really this dense?

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

I told YOU that.

Lets keep it 100 you got mad b/c you ran up in here with a couple smileys, threw the word "c00n" around recklessly & thought you were gonna get some daps. Truth is you've made some very ignorant points & you tried to clean it up after you got called out. You've still failed to make much sense though

What technicalities? Please show an example. Stop making shyt up

Your basic point is what? I'm a c00n b/c I celebrate my country's independence from England?

US independence from England was a LEADING idea among why slaves should be freed in the US. So why would it have nothing to do with enslaved blacks? Are you really this dense?

Your whole logic and ideology is all flawed.

I could care less about 'daps' and gave my opinion on why blacks have nothing to do with US Independence from GB.

Other nikkas on here already called you out on your bullshyt anyhow. I no longer need to engage to point thinks out for your diluted ass.

 

[AVXL]

Your whole logic and ideology is all flawed.

I could care less about 'daps' and gave my opinion on why blacks have nothing to do with US Independence from GB.

Other nikkas on here already called you out on your bullshyt anyhow. I no longer need to engage to point thinks out for your diluted ass.

Who called me out?

You sound like a kid who just lost the spelling bee. If your frustrated by your lack of knowledge go read a book about US history, you clearly need to get your knowledge up.

You call nikkaz c00ns & then when called out on it you type this "wave the white flag" bullshyt. Would've been better off if you had just stopped posting altogether. You brought absolutely nothing to this discussion & embarrassed yourself in the process. Goodbye

 

[Mindfield333]

There is no way you can justify that as being true. I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's not reality

Juneteenth >>>>>>>>>>> July 4th