Cac praises lebron while bashing Colin Kap.

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Not surprised.

These liberal cacs are so transparent. And they prefer blacks who embrace the status quo that gives them the privileges they enjoy the way it's, while in return, they'll show half-hearted support to black issues.

However, try to rock the boat - and they'll show their true colors.:ehh:
 

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Not surprised.

These liberal cacs are so transparent. And they prefer blacks who embrace the status quo that gives them the privileges they enjoy the way it's, while in return, they'll show half-hearted support to black issues.

However, try to rock the boat - and they'll show their true colors.:ehh:

been telling nikkas about those liberal cacs. if you live up north you should already know what it is
 

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He said that he didn't get why he didn't vote :skip:

Then he went on to talk about how he appreciates the way Bron goes about it and brought up examples like Trayvon.:jbhmm:

Based on the way y'all are shyttin on him I expected him to say something really ignorant and tone deaf. I think y'all are overreacting.

We gotta be able to have more perspective than this.
 

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He said that he didn't get why he didn't vote :skip:

Then he went on to talk about how he appreciates the way Bron goes about it and brought up examples like Trayvon.:jbhmm:

Based on the way y'all are shyttin on him I expected him to say something really ignorant and tone deaf. I think y'all are overreacting.

We gotta be able to have more perspective than this.

He was completely ignorant. He comments on how he loves athletes taking a political stand and then he says things like "the more I listened to Kap, the more I wondered if he was genuine, etc etc" and then he laments Kap taking a stand prior to the Dolphins game simply because its a stand that he does not agree with.

By the way, Kap explained how not voting was a stand against both of the candidates, but since he disagreed with it, he called it stupid.

It would be one thing if he claimed to be supported but turned out to be indifferent, but he's claiming to support something that he's antagonist towards.

Its either you like athletes taking stands, or you dont.
 
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Cac support one another republican or democrat. they stay on code never criticize bad behavior of other cacs and always believe in telling blacks what best for them. this is nothing new brees big ben brady and all whites stay on code against kap. his biggest critics was other blacks shaq lesean mccoy rodney harrison ray lewis etc. that the game the cacs play
 

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He was completely ignorant. He comments on how he loves athletes taking a political stand and then he says things like "the more I listened to Kap, the more I wondered if he was genuine, etc etc" and then he laments Kap taking a stand prior to the Dolphins game simply because its a stand that he does not agree with.

By the way, Kap explained how not voting was a stand against both of the candidates, but since he disagreed with it, he called it stupid.

It would be one thing if he claimed to be supported but turned out to be indifferent, but he's claiming to support something that he's antagonist towards.

Its either you like athletes taking stands, or you dont.

See now I don't think I agree with this.

I think that it is entirely possible to agree with athletes taking a stand, and even agreeing with the particular stand the athlete is taking, but not agreeing with how they go about it.

Lemme make it clear, I support Kaep and the way that he's doing it.

But in some alternate world, let's say that it was another athlete who came out against systemic oppression, racism, police brutality, everything we want to see protested. But the way this athlete went about protesting was stupid, counterproductive, disrespectful, etc. Am I really supposed to not voice my opinion on how he is expressing this?

I just think we need to open up a bit more nuance and understanding when it comes to stuff like this. Ok you and I don't agree with how Athletes take a stand? But you believe athletes should have that voice right? Ok bet that's common ground, now let's discuss what we don't agree on.

Y'all would rather just blame white supremacy and say 'see this is what happens with these liberal CACs, can't trust em'. Like in what world is that productive or moving anything forward?
 

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See now I don't think I agree with this.

I think that it is entirely possible to agree with athletes taking a stand, and even agreeing with the particular stand the athlete is taking, but not agreeing with how they go about it.

Lemme make it clear, I support Kaep and the way that he's doing it.

But in some alternate world, let's say that it was another athlete who came out against systemic oppression, racism, police brutality, everything we want to see protested. But the way this athlete went about protesting was stupid, counterproductive, disrespectful, etc. Am I really supposed to not voice my opinion on how he is expressing this?

I just think we need to open up a bit more nuance and understanding when it comes to stuff like this. Ok you and I don't agree with how Athletes take a stand? But you believe athletes should have that voice right? Ok bet that's common ground, now let's discuss what we don't agree on.

Y'all would rather just blame white supremacy and say 'see this is what happens with these liberal CACs, can't trust em'. Like in what world is that productive or moving anything forward?

You're arguing a strawman unfortunately, and I say unfortunately because its a strawman worth arguing, but its not the argument presented by Bill in the clip.

He spent two minutes questioning Kap's MO and sincerity. He didn't say a single word about the method of the main protest (anthem) in question. He just talked about how he thinks that Kaep is fake and insincere. That was my issue with Bill from the jump. He doesn't support Kaep at all, why not just keep it a buck instead of faking?


Now, back to the question that you posed because I think its worth answering:

If an athlete came out and protested something in a manner that I thought was counterproductive, or stupid, I wouldn't say "I support this protest". I would say "I think this protest is stupid"

Example, if an athelete said "I am protesting racism by fukking 1 white woman a day" I wouldn't say "I support what he's doing". No, fukk that. I'm not offering my support to something I think is insincere or silly.

Therein lies the difference. Bill Simmons is claiming to support something that he doesn't support at all. I'm not calling him out for not supporting Kaep, i'm calling him out for claiming to support Kaep while not supporting a single thing he's doing.

I can still support athletes ability to take a stand without supporting the stand an athlete is taking.
He is trying to support the stand and the athlete while shytting on the stand and the athlete
 
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You're arguing a strawman unfortunately, and I say unfortunately because its a strawman worth arguing, but its not the argument presented by Bill in the clip.

He spent two minutes questioning Kap's MO and sincerity. He didn't say a single word about the method of the main protest (anthem) in question. He just talked about how he thinks that Kaep is fake and insincere. That was my issue with Bill from the jump. He doesn't support Kaep at all, why not just keep it a buck instead of faking?


Now, back to the question that you posed because I think its worth answering:

If an athlete came out and protested something in a manner that I thought was counterproductive, or stupid, I wouldn't say "I support this protest". I would say "I think this protest is stupid"

Example, if an athelete said "I am protesting racism by fukking 1 white woman a day" I wouldn't say "I support what he's doing". No, fukk that. I'm not offering my support to something I think is insincere or silly.

Therein lies the difference. Bill Simmons is claiming to support something that he doesn't support at all. I'm not calling him out for not supporting Kaep, i'm calling him out for claiming to support Kaep while not supporting a single thing he's doing.

I can still support athletes ability to take a stand without supporting the stand an athlete is taking.
He is trying to support the stand and the athlete while shytting on the stand and the athlete

I agree with what you're saying but I think we just disagree on our perception of what Simmons was getting at.

To me it felt like he didn't understand certain things Kaep has done, which has made him question his motives, an example he cited was him being 'tone-deaf' by wearing a Castro shirt the week they played in Miami. I can understand Bill's perspective but I disagree with him on it. The other thing he took issue with was Kaep not voting, again I see where Bill's coming from but I think he's misguided on. Older people just REALLY value voting. I dunno what it is because our generation seems more pragmatic about it, but old people do NOT like seeing people not vote. To them it's a huge personal justice, so to seek social justice then not exercise your personal right, they don't understand that the way we can I think.

I think overall Bill was saying that he supports athletes taking a stand, and at first he was all for Kaepernick, but the events the past few months has made him question it overall. I disagree with him, but I'm not going to call him a white supremacist or a liberal CAC just because I happen to think he's missing the overall point.

Not for nothing, but he also spent 3-4 minutes talking about the coded racism that exists both in the NFL & NBA, but nobody hears that tho.
 

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I agree with what you're saying but I think we just disagree on our perception of what Simmons was getting at.

To me it felt like he didn't understand certain things Kaep has done, which has made him question his motives, an example he cited was him being 'tone-deaf' by wearing a Castro shirt the week they played in Miami. I can understand Bill's perspective but I disagree with him on it. The other thing he took issue with was Kaep not voting, again I see where Bill's coming from but I think he's misguided on. Older people just REALLY value voting. I dunno what it is because our generation seems more pragmatic about it, but old people do NOT like seeing people not vote. To them it's a huge personal justice, so to seek social justice then not exercise your personal right, they don't understand that the way we can I think.

I think overall Bill was saying that he supports athletes taking a stand, and at first he was all for Kaepernick, but the events the past few months has made him question it overall. I disagree with him, but I'm not going to call him a white supremacist or a liberal CAC just because I happen to think he's missing the overall point.

Not for nothing, but he also spent 3-4 minutes talking about the coded racism that exists both in the NFL & NBA, but nobody hears that tho.

I appreciate your well thought out response.

However reading through your post, would you come to the conclusion that Bill Simmons "totally supports Kaep" or not?

I don't think he supports a single thing Kaep has done and my evidence rests with his own words. He even plays "why cant he be more like this guy" card when comparing him to Lebron.

So in the end, why not just keep it a buck and say that he doesn't support Kaep?

As I said in my first post...

"I totally support what Kap"

And then goes on to explain how he did not support one single thing that Kaep did. :skip:


People never call out cacs on this shyt

This is akin to saying "I fully support BLM but they really need to stop protesting in the streets. And honestly, they need to just listen to police and less people would die. And If you really think about it, black people kill other black people more often than police tho. And If we're being honest, they whole movement is tone death."

Ok... if you believe all that, how do you "fully support BLM" ?
 
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