Cali kills Affirmative Action again. The multi-racial coalition is D.O.A.

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Liberals Envisioned a Multiracial Coalition. Voters of Color Had Other Ideas.

The proposition seemed tailor-made for one of the nation’s most diverse and liberal states. California officials asked voters to overturn a 24-year-old ban on affirmative action in education, employment and contracting.

The state political and cultural establishment worked as one to pass this ballot measure. The governor, a senator, members of Congress, university presidents and civil rights leaders called it a righting of old wrongs.

Yet on Election Day, the proposition failed by a wide margin, 57 percent to 43 percent, and Latino and Asian-American voters played a key role in defeating it. The outcome captured the gap between the vision laid out by the liberal establishment in California, which has long imagined the creation of a multiracial, multiethnic coalition that would embrace progressive causes, and the sentiments of many Black, Latino, Asian and Arab voters.

That battle carried echoes of another that raged the past few years in New York City, where a white liberal mayor’s efforts to increase the number of Black and Latino students in selective high schools angered working- and middle-class South and East Asian families whose children have gained admission to the schools in large numbers.

atinos, too, appear sharply divided. Prominent Latino nonprofit and civil rights organizations endorsed the affirmative action proposition even as all 14 of California’s majority-Latino counties voted it down.

Latinos make up more than half of San Bernardino County’s population, although significantly fewer turn out to vote. More residents there voted on the affirmative action proposition than for president, rejecting it by a margin of 28 percentage points. In rural Imperial County, in the southeastern corner of the state, 85 percent of the population is Latino. The voters there who gave Joseph R. Biden Jr. a nearly 27-point margin of victory went against the affirmative action measure by 16 percentage points.


Dems gotta dead "identity politics".

shyt like this is why Bernie and Joe Biden and pretty much anyone else that had a real shot to win has to say "People of Color", not just Black ppl.

All ethnicities are in it for themselves first and foremost.
 

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They wrong for not calling out all the white liberals who deaded it also. And Asians ain’t never been part of the coalition to me, well not East Asians - SE Asians are in the struggle with us


Really?
The few Vietnamese and Filipinos I met were hardcore republicans. :hubie:

But this is one TLR take I agree on, folks need to bush that POC talk since it really isn't a social qualifier for anything.
 

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Really?
The few Vietnamese and Filipinos I met were hardcore republicans. :hubie:

But this is one TLR take I agree on, folks need to bush that POC talk since it really isn't a social qualifier for anything.
Filipinos are a weird group, in Cali at least, you’ll see a lot who are middle class/lower middle class, and down with black folk, it’s weird because I read that their group is one of the most affluent Asian groups - wasn’t until I got to b school that I met more “Asian” acting, higher income Filipinos.

Most the Vietnamese people I knew/know are also middle class to damn near poor. They have a history of communism that fukked up their country so I’ll write your experiences with them off to that. I’ve never engaged meaningfully with any Vietnamese people I know about politics.
 

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Filipinos are a weird group, in Cali at least, you’ll see a lot who are middle class/lower middle class, and down with black folk, it’s weird because I read that their group is one of the most affluent Asian groups - wasn’t until I got to b school that I met more “Asian” acting, higher income Filipinos.

Most the Vietnamese people I knew/know are also middle class to damn near poor. They have a history of communism that fukked up their country so I’ll write your experiences with them off to that. I’ve never engaged meaningfully with any Vietnamese people I know about politics.


You're from the bay so you've probably meet more in a week than I would in a year:heh:

It might be a regional element in that as well.
 

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Filipinos are a weird group, in Cali at least, you’ll see a lot who are middle class/lower middle class, and down with black folk, it’s weird because I read that their group is one of the most affluent Asian groups - wasn’t until I got to b school that I met more “Asian” acting, higher income Filipinos.

Most the Vietnamese people I knew/know are also middle class to damn near poor. They have a history of communism that fukked up their country so I’ll write your experiences with them off to that. I’ve never engaged meaningfully with any Vietnamese people I know about politics.
You're from the bay so you've probably meet more in a week than I would in a year:heh:

It might be a regional element in that as well.
I’m from the east coast and it is the same. People from Southeast Asia have similar economic outcomes to black and Latino people more so than East Asians or south Asians. I’m talking Cambodians, Laotians, Filipinos and Vietnamese people. Of those groups, Vietnamese are the only ones who vote Republican and it is because the old north Vietnam and south Vietnam divide. Younger Vietnamese people vote more left than their parents. The only affluent Asians I knew growing up were Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Indian.
 

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Filipinos are a weird group, in Cali at least, you’ll see a lot who are middle class/lower middle class, and down with black folk, it’s weird because I read that their group is one of the most affluent Asian groups - wasn’t until I got to b school that I met more “Asian” acting, higher income Filipinos.

Most the Vietnamese people I knew/know are also middle class to damn near poor. They have a history of communism that fukked up their country so I’ll write your experiences with them off to that. I’ve never engaged meaningfully with any Vietnamese people I know about politics.
It's important to note that just like with Cubans and Venezuelans - the population of immigrants in the US is largely composed of right-wing political dissidents and the like.
They fled to the US in opposition to the Left-wing government - there's a small Vietnamese community in Cleveland in the hood - so I grew up with quite a few Vietnamese kids.
 

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Liberals Envisioned a Multiracial Coalition. Voters of Color Had Other Ideas.

The proposition seemed tailor-made for one of the nation’s most diverse and liberal states. California officials asked voters to overturn a 24-year-old ban on affirmative action in education, employment and contracting.

The state political and cultural establishment worked as one to pass this ballot measure. The governor, a senator, members of Congress, university presidents and civil rights leaders called it a righting of old wrongs.

Yet on Election Day, the proposition failed by a wide margin, 57 percent to 43 percent, and Latino and Asian-American voters played a key role in defeating it. The outcome captured the gap between the vision laid out by the liberal establishment in California, which has long imagined the creation of a multiracial, multiethnic coalition that would embrace progressive causes, and the sentiments of many Black, Latino, Asian and Arab voters.

That battle carried echoes of another that raged the past few years in New York City, where a white liberal mayor’s efforts to increase the number of Black and Latino students in selective high schools angered working- and middle-class South and East Asian families whose children have gained admission to the schools in large numbers.

atinos, too, appear sharply divided. Prominent Latino nonprofit and civil rights organizations endorsed the affirmative action proposition even as all 14 of California’s majority-Latino counties voted it down.

Latinos make up more than half of San Bernardino County’s population, although significantly fewer turn out to vote. More residents there voted on the affirmative action proposition than for president, rejecting it by a margin of 28 percentage points. In rural Imperial County, in the southeastern corner of the state, 85 percent of the population is Latino. The voters there who gave Joseph R. Biden Jr. a nearly 27-point margin of victory went against the affirmative action measure by 16 percentage points.


Dems gotta dead "identity politics".

shyt like this is why Bernie and Joe Biden and pretty much anyone else that had a real shot to win has to say "People of Color", not just Black ppl.

All ethnicities are in it for themselves first and foremost.
This isn't what "identity politics" is - and the term has been openly perverted by right-wing White nationalists - with liberal commentators slavishly following the direction of the conservatives.

The term originated from the Black - Combahee River Collective - part of a radical critique of the movements of the time
(1977) The Combahee River Collective Statement •

Affirmative action has been fought against and demonized for almost 50 years now - it's been a non-stop propaganda campaign to undermine Black workers who were seen as making gains in all areas of life.

Petit-bourgeois White-adjacent Asian and Latinxs are of course going to join into the "meritocracy" and "bootstrap" bullshyt - the idea that California is a "liberal paradise" is a right-wing fantasy. The state just has some relatively humane social policies - with one of the must crushing prison and housing systems in the world. With wealthy and well-educated immigrants from Asia and South America continuing to flow and thrive in the STEM industries in California - of course they're going to support any measure that lets them continue to have a leg up. They don't even realize they're screwing their brethren in favor of Whites.

Quite literally - billions have been spent to destroy affirmative action, as well as any other plan that would help uplift members of the Black community, and to a lesser extent indigenous and poor Latinos.

The same bootstrap mentality and massive propaganda campaign is the reason why the bill to allow Uber and Lyft drivers to be considered employees was killed.
 

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I'm glad this lost, I voted against it for my own reasons, it's funny that Latinos voted against it since Latinos not blacks would be the main beneficiaries of it

but AA is a white liberal program that should be deaded anyhow, it doesn't really benefit black people, so it's not worth fighting for
 

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I'm glad this lost, I voted against it for my own reasons, it's funny that Latinos voted against it since Latinos not blacks would be the main beneficiaries of it

but AA is a white liberal program that should be deaded anyhow, it doesn't really benefit black people, so it's not worth fighting for
you tripping. just look at Cal, they went from having 7-10% black enrollment in the early 90's to under 3% by the early 00's (prop 209 was in 96), affirmative action definitely helped us - plus the UC's got much more Asian. i'm all for improving AA - as taking into account socioeconomic status/environment and race would give a leg up to more people than just helping someone black who could be from an affluent home - but there is no doubt it helped us in Cali.

you can even look at all the government jobs boomers and older gen x'ers got (which provide decent salaries, job security, benefits, pensions and didn't' require a degree back in the day), AA opened up a path to the middle class for black people back then
 

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you tripping. just look at Cal, they went from having 7-10% black enrollment in the early 90's to under 3% by the early 00's (prop 209 was in 96), affirmative action definitely helped us - plus the UC's got much more Asian. i'm all for improving AA - as taking into account socioeconomic status/environment and race would give a leg up to more people than just helping someone black who could be from an affluent home - but there is no doubt it helped us in Cali.

you can even look at all the government jobs boomers and older gen x'ers got (which provide decent salaries, job security, benefits, pensions and didn't' require a degree back in the day), AA opened up a path to the middle class for black people back then

nah the real impact of 209 is that black admissions decreased at Berkeley and UCLA and increased overall at the other campuses, the total black students in the uc system increased and the graduation rates increased

But that was the numbers from a few years back I haven't looked at it recently

but either way aa isn't a real solution, the black population was minuscule to begin with (I don't think it was 7-10 at Berkeley, but correct me if I'm wrong, i think it's more like 5 from what I remember) so we didn't really lose a lot, the vast majority of the aa benefits would have gone to Latinos

there has to be an ROI analysis with these programs before we lay our lives down for them and other people benefit
 
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