Cali wants to lower passing score for Bar Exam

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I honestly don’t know what to make of this and the SAT adversity curve.

Especially considering that I’ve heard from many friends, that overall, after factoring differences in each state’s exam, that the bar is not even that hard of an exam. Granted, these are from folks that started off as CPAs, as did I, and so have had the benefit of studying for the CPA and LSATs before the Bar.

@String Bell you got a chance now

He better of in finance

High finance is equivalent to white shoe law. If he can’t hack it over there, he wouldn’t be able to hack it over here.

 

[MustafaSTL]

Bar passage rates continue to fall every year and some people are trying to figure out why. Lowering the pass rate won't make it better. The actual questions they ask on there is the issue. I remember specific questions they would ask just to try to trick the bar takers. This has nothing to do with whether the bar taker has full knowledge of the material.

Maybe I should stop caring about this shyt. I passed two bars easily and don't feel like doing this shyt again.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

I honestly don’t know what to make of this and the SAT adversity curve.

Especially considering that I’ve heard from many friends, that overall, after factoring differences in each state’s exam, that the bar is not even that hard of an exam. Granted, these are from folks that started off as CPAs, as did I, and so have had the benefit of studying for the CPA and LSATs before the Bar.







High finance is equivalent to white shoe law. If he can’t hack it over there, he wouldn’t be able to hack it over here.

The bar itself isn’t that hard. It’s just that they’ve gone out of their way to make it as difficult as possible to study for.

For example, when I took the LSAT, I paid like $500 for a class that gave me access to every old LSAT exam. When I walked into the exam, I had seen every LSAT question from the last 20 years. There were no surprises.

The bar consists of 2 parts. The multi-state portion and the state portion. The examiners never release old questions, so when you walk in for the first time you’ve never seen a real bar question. And the real questions look way different than what you get in Bar Prep class.

On that subject. I used Barbri, which is the #1 company. I paid $4000 for it. On top of $1000 to take the damn exam. A lot (re most) of people can’t afford that.

And then the bar itself. It’s 2-3 days of 8-14 subjects of law that you have to memorize in order to pass. In the legal world, if you answer a legal question without researching, it’s malpractice.

So you have an exam with several economic barriers, that makes studying for it difficult that is in no way shape or form representative of what being a lawyer is like. Given all that bullshyt, California should lower the damn score.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

Funny thing. I say the same thing about the CPA exam. Outside some concepts, a lot of the stuff is fluff you don’t need to memorize because we have computers with internet access and a plethora of resources available. Hell, the exam itself gives you access to the Codification and Internal Revenue Code to look up the stuff you need.

Right.. that brings on the idea as to why The Bar Exam is a closed book exam. Like it's not even realistic, if you think about it. Everything we need is right here - coming from a time when Firm's actually had libraries with physical books in their office space to now where there are virtual law libraries. There is a database for everything... even court filings and litigation have gone electronic. Firms have electronic repositories, the days of the hard copies and retaining volumes are done. Any legal research work that needs to be completed in the real world - you have that right from your desktop. Now - it's about conformity not complexity. They're making the Bar Exam requirements more than what it needs to be. CLE exists for a reason.

 

[sayyestothis]

I just look at in terms of quality of education. It's not so much dumbing down the profession as attending schools that don't actively participate in training or helping students to test for the exam. The teachers/professors aren't doing their job or the curriculum itself may be dumbed down or not up to standards. Like I stated in my other comment - a law student from NYU or Yale - that's a huge advantage over someone from a lower ranked school. I'm linking an example of the bar passage rates. If you attend a law school that is not actively preparing you for the Bar Exam, that's one of the issues. Some schools don't incorporate preparation programs.
T14 schools

• NYU: 97.35 percent
• Columbia: 97.28 percent
• Harvard: 96.85 percent
• Yale: 96.76 percent

At 72.3 percent, Brooklyn Law School was down 6.3 percentage points.
in comparison to these schools-

• U. San Francisco: 33.33 percent

• La Verne: 31.49 percent

• Appalachian: 30 percent

• Thomas Jefferson: 26.43 percent

• Whittier (RIP): 21.84 percent

Bar Exam Pass Rates Dive at 5 NY Schools While Top Programs Increase Their Advantage | New York Law Journal

But dont you think smarter people more serious about passing would be at the TOP schools in the country? Imean that's not surprising?

 

[TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?]

Cali is different breh

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

But dont you think smarter people more serious about passing would be at the TOP schools in the country? Imean that's not surprising?

But everybody’s situations and circumstances are not the same. You could be smart af but if you don’t have the resources or “connections “ to get into a T14, then you go with what’s available . Not saying that it’s always the schools’ fault either- those bar prep courses and materials are expensive. Not everyone who’s smart has thousands to spend on that. That’s what I mean by lack of resources.

 

[sayyestothis]

But everybody’s situations and circumstances are not the same. You could be smart af but if you don’t have the resources or “connections “ to get into a T14, then you go with what’s available . Not saying that it’s always the schools’ fault either- those bar prep courses and materials are expensive. Not everyone who’s smart has thousands to spend on that. That’s what I mean by lack of resources.

Oh I dont disagree about access to schools but I'm just saying to use those stats for ur arguement doesnt work. Forgot what we were even debating tho so

 

[MustafaSTL]

The bar itself isn’t that hard. It’s just that they’ve gone out of their way to make it as difficult as possible to study for.

For example, when I took the LSAT, I paid like $500 for a class that gave me access to every old LSAT exam. When I walked into the exam, I had seen every LSAT question from the last 20 years. There were no surprises.

The bar consists of 2 parts. The multi-state portion and the state portion. The examiners never release old questions, so when you walk in for the first time you’ve never seen a real bar question. And the real questions look way different than what you get in Bar Prep class.

On that subject. I used Barbri, which is the #1 company. I paid $4000 for it. On top of $1000 to take the damn exam. A lot (re most) of people can’t afford that.

And then the bar itself. It’s 2-3 days of 8-14 subjects of law that you have to memorize in order to pass. In the legal world, if you answer a legal question without researching, it’s malpractice.

So you have an exam with several economic barriers, that makes studying for it difficult that is in no way shape or form representative of what being a lawyer is like. Given all that bullshyt, California should lower the damn score.

I was a Kaplan rep so I got the bar course for free. Don’t know what I would have done if I didn’t get that free course. I was broke as fukk my last year.