Cali wants to lower passing score for Bar Exam

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

nah, you gotta take the Bar after you finish law school.

Law School is preparation. LSAT isn't the Bar.

I know. Never said that in my response. What are you talking about??
I said that he already took the LSAT in order to get into a TOP TIER law school. Which means that top tier school law students are better equipped to prepare for the Bar Exam is what I stated. The Bar exam is preparation and mastery. - Those are my words.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

If ur not smart enough to be an attorney then u cant be an attorney. Dont get it??

The Bar Exam is a totally different beast. There are many law school students that graduate from law school who have a hard time passing the bar exam. Some require multiple attempts. There are states that are known for having harder bar exams. The Bar Exam is set up in different sections - multistate professional ethics/ responsibility and the knowledge part of the test. It's equivalent to being tested on every concept, law, strategy, research that you ever learned in law school- in laymen's terms that would be equivalent to a final exam after law school.

 

[sayyestothis]

The Bar Exam is a totally different beast. There are many law school students that graduate from law school who have a hard time passing the bar exam. Some require multiple attempts. There are states that are known for having harder bar exams. The Bar Exam is set up in different sections - multistate professional ethics/ responsibility and the knowledge part of the test. It's equivalent to being tested on every concept, law, strategy, research that you ever learned in law school- in laymen's terms that would be equivalent to a final exam after law school.

I get it but why dumb down a profession is what I'm asking? It would be nice to have a universal law exam but laws change so much state to state so that cant happens

 

[UncleTomFord15]

By lowering it, you're saying black people are too dumb to get in on their own

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

If this was the SAT or LSAT, GRE or GMAT - there should be an accommodation for students who have some form of adversity, because we can't sit back and act like racial disparities in education. There's a lack of educational access and resources within black communities as a whole. But the bar exam, I feel that if you made it to that level where you graduate from law school, then you have acquired the knowledge that is necessary to go on to the next level. In saying that though, not everyone can afford or are accepted into some of the so called 'elite' tier schools where they have better preparation for the Bar Exam, itself. Like a student from Univ. of Baltimore Law is not going to have the same equal access as a student from Georgetown Law. Basically, lowering the score requirement would create a more level playing field for students coming from that type of background.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

I get it but why dumb down a profession is what I'm asking? It would be nice to have a universal law exam but laws change so much state to state so that cant happens

I just look at in terms of quality of education. It's not so much dumbing down the profession as attending schools that don't actively participate in training or helping students to test for the exam. The teachers/professors aren't doing their job or the curriculum itself may be dumbed down or not up to standards. Like I stated in my other comment - a law student from NYU or Yale - that's a huge advantage over someone from a lower ranked school. I'm linking an example of the bar passage rates. If you attend a law school that is not actively preparing you for the Bar Exam, that's one of the issues. Some schools don't incorporate preparation programs.
T14 schools

• NYU: 97.35 percent
• Columbia: 97.28 percent
• Harvard: 96.85 percent
• Yale: 96.76 percent

At 72.3 percent, Brooklyn Law School was down 6.3 percentage points.
in comparison to these schools-

• U. San Francisco: 33.33 percent

• La Verne: 31.49 percent

• Appalachian: 30 percent

• Thomas Jefferson: 26.43 percent

• Whittier (RIP): 21.84 percent

Bar Exam Pass Rates Dive at 5 NY Schools While Top Programs Increase Their Advantage | New York Law Journal

 

[ultraflexed]

By lowering it, you're saying black people are too dumb to get in on their own

If this was the SAT or LSAT, GRE or GMAT - there should be an accommodation for students who have some form of adversity, because we can't sit back and act like racial disparities in education. There's a lack of educational access and resources within black communities as a whole. But the bar exam, I feel that if you made it to that level where you graduate from law school, then you have acquired the knowledge that is necessary to go on to the next level. In saying that though, not everyone can afford or are accepted into some of the so called 'elite' tier schools where they have better preparation for the Bar Exam, itself. Like a student from Univ. of Baltimore Law is not going to have the same equal access as a student from Georgetown Law. Basically, lowering the score requirement would create a more level playing field for students coming from that type of background.

Good point, but in afraid most will see like the poster above

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

By lowering it, you're saying black people are too dumb to get in on their own

There's another way to look at it though because low bar exam pass rates are happening on a massive scale. What the problem could be is that most black people are not going to Harvard, Yale either because they are not affordable or you know, racism. The black students that are not opting to attend HBCU law schools are going to the lower ranked school because of affordability or proximity. We already know that black universities are not receiving funding to the same extent as white schools. That funding affects bar prep- such as study materials, prep course, accommodations etc.

Example: Look at UDC - where there are a majority of black students-
Two years ago, the bar pass rate for first-time test takers at the University of the District of Columbia David A. Clarke School of Law sank to 38 percent. Although the school has never had a particularly high first-time pass rate, the plunge to less than 40 percent was a red flag for administrators.
To help reverse the trend, the school introduced a myriad of initiatives, which included requiring those who take on leadership roles with student organizations to have a grade-point average of 2.5 or higher. Administrators worried that weaker students were devoting too much time to those groups at the expense of their bar preparation.

How to reverse sliding bar exam pass rates is a puzzle that law deans across the country are trying to solve. The national average score on the Multistate Bar Exam—the multiple choice portion of the exam—hit a 34-year low last July, and thousands of law graduates each year are failing to make the cut.

The Big Fail Part II: Law Schools Clamber to Raise Bar Pass Rates | Law.com
More Touro Graduates Fail Bar Exam Than Pass, Prompting Dean to Call Results Unacceptable | New York Law Journal

 

[newworldafro]

Twice today have been articles about lowering the bar on SAT and Bar Exam for people of color.

I don't like this dumbing down, as if people of color can't perform at a high level, or at least pass.....just my opinion.

What type of psychological signal is that sending to kids and young professionals

 

[get these nets]

By lowering it, you're saying black people are too dumb to get in on their own

These types of stories have come up the past year. Most notably in the discussions about Blacks in medical school, and Blacks admitted into the top high schools in NYC.

I prefer to read about solutions to whatever the numbers are. I'm always in favor of getting more preparation for people without resources/advantages than in lowering standards.

I posted this video about how Xavier U. in New Orleans leads the country in sending students to Med School Admissions and graduation.(and why)


and posted this video about plan to increase Black admissions rates in the top NYC schools



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[Bubba T]

The implication of this article says that blacks and Latinos just aren’t smart enough, which is bullshyt in itself.

The color of your skin doesn’t determine your intelligence or potential. How many black PHDs, scholars, and MBAs does it take to prove this?

 

[Strapped]

@String Bell you got a chance now

He better of in finance

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

They need to lower it. The bar exam is super outdated. Outside of the very basic concepts of evidence, nothing I studied for the bar has come up in my day to day practice.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

They need to lower it. The bar exam is super outdated. Outside of the very basic concepts of evidence, nothing I studied for the bar has come up in my day to day practice.

It's archaic. Not to mention that many of the bar exams don't even have specialties or concentrations for Tech Lawyers - cybersecurity, IP, IG practices and policies, Data Risk Mitigation etc.

 

[Bubba T]

They need to lower it. The bar exam is super outdated. Outside of the very basic concepts of evidence, nothing I studied for the bar has come up in my day to day practice.

Funny thing. I say the same thing about the CPA exam. Outside some concepts, a lot of the stuff is fluff you don’t need to memorize because we have computers with internet access and a plethora of resources available. Hell, the exam itself gives you access to the Codification and Internal Revenue Code to look up the stuff you need.