California passes bill eliminating bail?

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Jerry Brown does not have a good record on criminal justice reform but this is a good step.

Governor makes California first state to eliminate bail

California will become the first state to eliminate bail for suspects awaiting trial under a bill signed Tuesday by the governor, Jerry Brown.

The bill will replace bail with a risk-assessment system, although it’s still unclear how the system will work. It will take effect in October 2019.

Brown’s signature gives the state’s judicial council broad authority to reshape pretrial detention policies.

Each county will use the council’s framework as a basis to set its own procedures for deciding whom to release before trial, potentially creating a patchwork system based on where a suspect lives.
This could lead to some :mjpls:

Most suspects arrested for nonviolent misdemeanors will be released within 12 hours of being booked under the new law. Those facing serious, violent felonies will not be eligible for pretrial release.

The legislation gives officials 24 hours to determine whether other suspects should be released before trial. That time can be extended by 12 hours if necessary.

Some criminal justice reform advocates worry defendants will spend weeks in jail while their lawyers try to prove they deserve to be set free.

Opponents of the legislation say it gives judges too much power. Some worry dangerous people will go free and won’t return for trial.

Supporters, including the judicial council, headed by the state supreme court’s chief justice, say the change will end the unfair practice of imprisoning people simply because they are poor. Incarceration should instead depend on the risk a defendant poses if they are released, they argue.

Other states such as New Jersey and New Mexico have overhauled their bail systems, although neither state has completely eliminated bail.

The judicial council is the policy-making body for California’s courts. It creates rules and procedures to ensure consistency across the state.
 

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So this means that bail bondsmen will go out of business in Cali and it's at the judge's discretion whether someone remains detained or awaits trial in the free world?
:ohhh:

Very likely we will see that white defendants proportionately get to await trial at home vs black defendants - based on the fact that black men get arrested and convicted way more than white men.
 

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So this means that bail bondsmen will go out of business in Cali and it's at the judge's discretion whether someone remains detained or awaits trial in the free world?
:ohhh:

Very likely we will see that white defendants proportionately get to await trial at home vs black defendants - based on the fact that black men get arrested and convicted way more than white men.

And, if that happens we'll have better metrics to remove those judges or push this system further. One step at a time breh
 

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Defendants will still be evaluated for risk of flight, employment history, current living situation, ties to the community. Under the new system, non violent offenders will not have to post, though often lower level offenders at least in San Diego, are often given OR, released on own recognizance, unless you have multiple arrests and convictions.

I doubt someone with serious charges, and a risk of flight will be released from custody.
 

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Works well here in DC for the most part.
Almost everyone with no record gets released at the prelim. If you have a record, the biggest factor is how recent your last conviction was (and what it was for).
Serious violent felonies like murder and AWIK are getting held 99% of the time.
Most drug cases are getting released unless you get caught with a gun and drugs together.
I don't care if bail bondsmen go out of business, they're vultures. MD still has bail and people are putting up houses to get released for cases they would be automatically released in DC.
 

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Works well here in DC for the most part.
Almost everyone with no record gets released at the prelim. If you have a record, the biggest factor is how recent your last conviction was (and what it was for).
Serious violent felonies like murder and AWIK are getting held 99% of the time.
Most drug cases are getting released unless you get caught with a gun and drugs together.
I don't care if bail bondsmen go out of business, they're vultures. MD still has bail and people are putting up houses to get released for cases they would be automatically released in DC.
agree with everything you just said but especially the bold. their job shouldnt exist in the first place.
 

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agree with everything you just said but especially the bold. their job shouldnt exist in the first place.
Can you believe it’s almost 2019 and folks still go to the check cashing store?
Check cashing, payday loans, Bail bonds are all usurious, filthy businesses. The recent book Carceral Capitalism, by Jackie Wang, lays out how these industries rope in Black populations into the debt economy in a cycle of exploitation. Unlike in the sixties and earlier, poor black folks role in the economy isn't based on the exploitation of their labor so much as it's based on the exploitation of their debt.
 

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This reform has face planted and been terrible just like I knew it would. :snoop:
What? it doesn't go into effect a whole year from now. the only recent news I see regarding this is the bail industry collecting ballot signatures to try and get it repealed by voters and that's for obvious reasons.

anyway, any change that relies on judges to exercise discretion will fail because they are inherently racist. instead of needing a good reason to deny someone bail, they just need to "feel" a certain way about releasing you. you'll basically have a system where minorities are kept in jail because a judge feels they are a risk and whites can go free because they come from a good family and aren't a risk and i can see a relative of mine in you so take all my compassion.

the advocates of this policy in california didn't want the judges to have this kind of discretion, but that was a last min change.
 
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