Caller makes a good point on why Steve Nash was the MVP
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Nash won MVP in 2005 because the Suns went from 29-53 to 62-20, below average in offensive efficiency to one of the greatest offensive marks in league history with him being the major addition. That is one of the most dramatic swings in league history.
Nash won MVP in 2006 because Amare went down and missed all but three games but the team still finished with the best offense in the league and #2 seed in the conference
yeah narratives have a lot to do with who wins MVP. Always has and that will never change. Wasn't close to being the best player in the league in either years but he did fulfill some of the common criteria to win the award and its really not remotely surprising that Kobe didn't get it
Nash won MVP in 2006 because Amare went down and missed all but three games but the team still finished with the best offense in the league and #2 seed in the conference
yeah narratives have a lot to do with who wins MVP. Always has and that will never change. Wasn't close to being the best player in the league in either years but he did fulfill some of the common criteria to win the award and its really not remotely surprising that Kobe didn't get it
Narratives are often misguided and misleading.
Shawn Marion posted higher Win Shares in BOTH seasons that Nash won the MVP. So Nash wasn't even the biggest contributor to wins on his own team.
Just because the story is good doesn't mean we have to resign ourselves to letting it distort the truth.
Well I wouldn't really use a flawed stat like win shares there, because in that case Pau Gasol was a bigger contributor than Kobe in '09 when we all know who the actual best player on the squad was. I do think Nash's playmaking helped Shawn generate offense, wasn't a very skilled creator who could not have offense run through him & his defense while strong wasn't anything DPOY worthy or transformational. Nash actually has a peak season that ranks reasonably well among the all time greats at his position while Marion's respective peak ranking isn't noteworthy by comparison
I would have an issue with that MVP if someone was parading Nash as better than Kobe, Wade, Bron, Dirk, Duncan, KG etc but nobody really says that and everyone seems to acknowledge that he robbed someone. So the truth is pretty much known - although I wouldn't say "robbed" b/c all throughout league history you can see cases of the best player not always getting the award
Oh, it's this thread again.
win shares is largely influenced by the amount of boards you get is and not exactly the best statistic to base mvps on or anything really.
not saying i agree with nash being the mvp, but win shares is trash.
Bilz
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people still think Kobe deserved MVP in 2005
He helped many guys on the Suns get bigger contracts and they became mediocre when he/they left... save for Joe Johnson.
I kinda disagree with this. Shawn Marion signed a big contract before Nash came to PHX and his production pre & post Nash were similar (he was more efficient tho). Amare was showing promise during his 2nd season and played up to his contract the 1st few months in NY before injury problems arised again.
his 2nd one I don't have an issue with esp with Amare hurt and no joe johnson.
that first one was
that first one was
GoddamnyamanProf
Countdown to Armageddon
If you actually watched the games you could have seen how the entire team and system was predicated on Nash and fell apart when he wasnt on the floor. With him they were one of the best teams in the league, without him they would routinely get smoked by the bottom feeders of the NBA.
Or, you know, you could base all your opinions on a flawed "win shares" stat and be a nerd upset at reality
Win Shares is one example...and it's INFINITELY better and more unbiased than "narratives"
