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Perhaps the reason is so you understand Allah and Yahweh are the same. :yeshrug:

The equivalence would mean that Allah and Yahweh are both unique names since both have no plural or feminine forms.
Just like the reference said that I posted that you disagreed with.

If Muslims posit that Allah is the same word as the Hebrew El or Elohei, or Elohim, then Allah should be a substitute for those words.

Not for Yahweh.

El means The God

Yahweh is a unique name that means "I am that I am". Not "The God".
 

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Perhaps the reason is so you understand Allah and Yahweh are the same. :yeshrug:

Do me a favor and ask your Imam or teacher about it. I'm interested in what they have to say. I don't have access or even know where to find an Imam.
 

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The equivalence would mean that Allah and Yahweh are both unique names since both have no plural or feminine forms.
Just like the reference said that I posted that you disagreed with.

If Muslims posit that Allah is the same word as the Hebrew El or Elohei, or Elohim, then Allah should be a substitute for those words.

Not for Yahweh.

El means The God

Yahweh is a unique name that means "I am that I am". Not "The God".

However you choose to look at it, it’s all the same entity. :yeshrug:
 

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Do me a favor and ask your Imam or teacher about it. I'm interested in what they have to say. I don't have access or even know where to find an Imam.

I don’t have an Imam. It’s a valid question. I, personally, don’t dwell on such semantics though. I’m not the religious type.
 

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Arabic is Semetic.

And again, 'Ilah', follows the same convention.

'Allah' does not.

If Allah means "The God" that has to be a unique name, different from 'Ilah'.

Yahweh is the same. There are no plural or feminine forms of the word. Is Yahweh not Semetic in origin?

There is only one God so it has to be unique.
Do me a favor and ask your Imam or teacher about it. I'm interested in what they have to say. I don't have access or even know where to find an Imam.



 

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There is only one God so it has to be unique.






It seemed to me that he's saying Allah is the unique name of God. Is that correct?

Then he says that Yahweh is not found in the Quran.

But it is, in the names of Zakariyya, in Yahya, in Isa, in Ilyas, in Yusha.
 

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The equivalence would mean that Allah and Yahweh are both unique names since both have no plural or feminine forms.
Just like the reference said that I posted that you disagreed with.

If Muslims posit that Allah is the same word as the Hebrew El or Elohei, or Elohim, then Allah should be a substitute for those words.

Not for Yahweh.

El means The God

Yahweh is a unique name that means "I am that I am". Not "The God".
Yahweh is basically a nickname for Allah.
 

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I don't think Muslims view it that way otherwise it would be among his 99 names.

The Arabic translation would be Ya Hayy Ul Qayyum which means the ever living, self sustaining and eternal one and is was called the greatest name of God by Muhammad PBUH and mentioned in the Qurant numerous times.
 
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Do you want the closest factual theory or religious people rationalizing their viewpoint?

Islam, like Judaism and Christianity has had a policy of tweaking their origins of polytheistic past by either burying the information or obscuring as much as possible. Muhammad's religion, pre-revelation of Gabriel was an alleged pagan with some Christian relatives(nestorian or some early sect - not organized and as dogmatic as the Catholic Church or any branch of Orthodox), and lived in proximity to Arabian Jews. A lot of the Quran that is a retread of the early bible and torah was either tweaked intentionally by Muhammad or tweaked by the process of telephone as each source in a chain tweaks it a bit. At the time of Arabia when Muhammad was alive, a big contention was the fact that the arabians had like 300+ gods. Some of those gods include names like Allah(even back in polytheist days, Allah was #1 god for people in Quraysh, Muhammad's birthplace),Al-uzza and many more. Muhammad has his revelation from an Angel and does a mass conversion from Paganism to Monotheism.

Yet, as we all know... change is hard for some people and old habits die hard. They started converting all the pagan activities to monotheistic ones. The Kabba which had all of these god statues(300+) were shattered, the rituals of mass migration to mecca for pagans and their multiple gods were changed to be about Muhammad and Allah instead, and Muhammad started preaching that Allah was the one and only god to the former pagans.


Don't take this as me hating on muslims - it's all abrahamic religions that retcon themselves. Caananites had multiple gods like Baal, El and bushed them to promote yahweh as being the only god. Romans turned Saturnalia into Christmas.
 

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I just found this video. It illustrates exactly my point about the language conventions of God/Ilah and how Allah is unique in that it doesn't.



In this video, they make no distinction between "god" and "God". When referring to God, I, and many English speakers, are referring to Allah, THE God. In which case, would be uniquely one, as mentioned, without plural or feminine form. As opposed to "god" which begets "gods" and "goddesses".

The best English translation for Allah is "The God" meaning The One everyone else is talking about: YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, Jah, Allah... Even if the translation isn't verbatim, we're still talking about The God of Abraham, known by many names.



I have a question for you. I'm just curious, why do you ask?
 
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