Calling all vaccine queens: Come Juelz this Yankees story for all of us idiots real quick

[Professor Emeritus]

@badboys11, thanks for asking what I took to be legitimate questions.

I have some questions I would like answered

How long does the vaccine stay effective. 6 months? A year? 10 years? They don't know do they?

Definitely 6+ months, beyond that you are correct, they don't know.

How will they find out how long the vaccine works? By seeing how long it takes vaccinated people to start filling up hospitals again? What exactly is the process?

There are two main ways.

#1. They have a certain # of people who got the vaccine early who they check their blood for antibodies to the virus. So they'll keep checking 12 months after the fact, 24 months after the fact, etc. to see if the antibodies are still in the blood. Antibodies aren't the only way the vaccine helps your immune system but they're a decent indicator.

#2. They track a certain # of people who got the vaccine early and watch to ensure that their case #'s and hospitalization rates continue to remain well belong the population at large. If a surge comes through and the vaccinated people they're tracking suddenly start getting sick at the same rates as the non-vaccinated people, that's a good sign that the immunity isn't there anymore.

Are they giving expiration dates on these vaccine cards, or is everyone gonna wait til they say go get the booster shots?

Since we don't even know if a booster shot is necessary yet, much less how long it will take, we're going to wait. For some diseases you don't need the booster shot until 5 or 10 years after the first shots, for others you never need it at all, for others you need a new shot every year.

If u can still be infected and transmit the virus, why are they saying to get rid of masks? Am I the only one seeing a potential disaster? All the vaccinated people are gonna go wild this summer, and they're all providing host bodies for the virus to keep spreading. Is this gonna cause a deadly mutation down the line thats immune to vaccines?

You are at least 90% less likely to get infected and even less likely to transmit. And so far nearly everyone who has been infected has been asymptomatic or mild in their symptoms. And part of that asymptomatic/mild is the fact that there is FAR less virus in their system.

So no, the vaccinated people are not providing host for the virus to keep spreading. Since mutation is a product of the # of times the virus replicates, the more people who are vaccinated the less chance a new mutation will develop.

If you're vaccinated and catch covid, will the aftereffects of this disease(1 out of 3 displaying brain damage along with other issues currently) catch up to you when the vaccine wears off?

We can't say it's impossible but it is much much less likely since vaccinated people show few symptoms if any and are going to have far lower viral loads.

What about vitamin d and other natural sources to boost your immune system? Is it true people with a vitamin d lacking have a higher risk of illness/death from covid?

There is some evidence that people with poor vitamin D levels have lower-functioning immune systems and thus a higher risk of getting Covid and of getting sick from Covid. However, if there is any effect it appears to be a long-term one - simply taking a large dose of vitamin D when you get Covid doesn't appear to help at all. So it's a good idea for everyone (especially Black folk in colder climates due to melatonin and sun issues) to check their Vitamin D levels to ensure they don't have a deficiency, but if you're not Vitamin D deficient then taking more Vitamin D probably won't make any difference.

Everyone who's been vaccinated, are u going to make getting your covid shots a regular thing, or is this the only shot u taking?

Personally, I'll wait to see what the studies show as well as wait to see whether Covid keeps spreading or fizzles out over time.

Can anyone remember taking shots for school as a kid that had you laid out for a day or two, unable to get out of bed?

Less than 0.1% of people taking the Covid vaccine have a strong enough reaction that they are unable to participate in daily activity. Some % of people have a strong reaction to almost all vaccines. It does seem like the reactions to the Covid vaccine are slightly stronger than reactions to a lot of other vaccines, I don't think researchers entirely know why yet but my guess is it relates to the fact that the Covid virus seems particularly triggering to the immune system, so the vaccine is triggering a small bit of that same immune response.

Why does this vaccine knock certain people on they ass? Does having a response to this vaccine mean anything different about u or your immune system compared to people who have no response?

The side effects you feel are part of the immediate immune response called the "Innate Immune Response". While dramatic, this is NOT the main way your body fights disease. The most important ways your body fights disease, the "Adaptive Immune Response", are much slower to develop and much harder to notice - the activated T cells and B cells and antibodies that actually fight the specific virus invading your body.

There doesn't seem to be a big correlation between the innate response and the adaptive response. In other words, getting a fever quickly doesn't mean that you'll have more antibodies, and not getting a fever at all doesn't mean that you won't have antibodies. So the severity of your side effects to the vaccine don't really say much at all about how well-protected you'll be. All it means is that you have an immune system that tends to react with a more dramatic innate response.

Will there be side effects that show up years down the line like a lot of pharmaceutical companies I see advertising on TV?

Very unlikely. Long-term negative pharmaceutical effects are usually due to the long-term use of the drug or buildup/residue of the drug in your body. The vaccine clears your body in a matter of days, there's no buildup or residue, nothing there to keep the drug in your body. The only way there would be long-term side effects is if the vaccine affected your immune system in some way that your own immune system continued attacking your body for some reason. While this may be possible, it doesn't appear likely at it would be MUCH more likely to happen from catching the disease (as we're seeing in some long-haul victims) than from taking the vaccine.

Have any doctors been paid behind the scenes to advocate for this vaccine?

If it's truly "behind the scenes", how would we know? I'm fairly certain that no doctors have disclosed such payments.

It's crazy the level of hatred I'm seeing online even in this thread behind the vaccine issue. If u want to have faith in these pharmaceutical companies that's your choice, but it's also your choice to be cautious. Daps+rep for anyone who can honestly answer some of these questions, cause I don't trust what's going on right now.

Emotions are very high on both sides. I did my best to answer all the questions honestly as far as I know the answers.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The CDC Director just said on Wednesday that they weren't getting rid of the indoor mask mandate because they wanted to make sure that the vaccines were working against the variants. Variants even they've hyped up as a threat, yet a day later they lifted that mandate. Does that mean we shouldn't be worried about the variants now?

Their updated guidelines still hasn't made mentioned or exactly answered that question. And before a poster starts whining and bytching, you can pull up her exact comments from Wednesday.

All the data so far shows appears to show that the vaccines don't produce as many effective antibodies against the variants and are somewhat less effective in preventing transmission of the variants. However, they still are very good at preventing transmission (somewhere around 65-90% effective depending on variant as opposed to 95% like in the original strain), and they still appear to be 95-100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death.

So if you're vaccinated you shouldn't have to "worry" about the current variants, you're still protected from serious consequences. However, it is true that the variants do spread more easily than the original strain and that's true even among the vaccinated.

This is all fairly preliminary info tho - there hasn't been the chance to do nearly as much testing with the variants as there was with the original strain. And it's entirely possible that some new variant will emerge that will completely bypass the vaccine. That's why deading this shyt ASAP so no more variants emerge is important.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Vitamin D, invermectin, THC--all have been objectively and anecdotally shown to do the same--blunt the severity of the symptoms and eliminate hospitilization.
What's common to them?
There's no patent, they're common use substances.
Meaning what?
There is no way they can be sold to you.

That's not the slightest bit true.

If you suffer from long-term Vitamin D deficiency then you're more likely to have a poorly-functioning immune system, and thus more likely to get seriously ill or die. However, having sufficient Vitamin D levels doesn't necessarily prevent hospitalization and death, and taking Vitamin D when you get Covid doesn't decrease symptoms or prevent death.

Ivermectin had some promising anecdotal results at first based on after-the-fact, non-randomized reports. However, randomized controlled studies are not showing any positive benefit.

And I hadn't heard the THC shyt. Are you saying no pot smokers died of Covid?

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

8 people out of the millions who have taken the vaccine And of those 8, one person had mild symptoms. The vaccine did its job by preventing more damaging, long term effects.

Logic should tell you get yourself vaccinated.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I am asking you a direct question.
Which of these following points do you assert are not factual:

Do you have a clue as to how 3 towers fell in downtown Manhattan on the morning of September 11, despite only two of them being hit by planes?

Yes, a very good idea actually.

https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation

Do you have a clue as to how Mohammed Atta's passport was found atop the rubble of tower 2 the next morning, supposedly proving his involvement as a hijacker?

Yes I'm aware that 4 of the passports were at least partially recovered. No that is is not surprising, various documents, clothing, luggage, etc. survive every plane crash no matter how violent. And no that didn't prove anything regarding his involvement as a hijacker. Obviously check-in and boarding records for planes are air-tight, officials didn't need the passport to know that Atta was on the flight, and recovering the passport didn't show anything more than that....he was on the flight. I'm confused as to why you think recovering the passport mattered at all to anything.

Do you have a clue as to why the United States military immediately began operations in Afghanistan, despite the alleged hijackers all originating from Saudi Arabia?

Most, not all, of the hijackers were Saudi Arabian nationals. But the attack was planned and orchestrated from Afghanistan, so it would make little sense to attack Saudi Arabia. The US military attacked Afghanistan because they refused to give up bin Laden. However, it's worth noting that the US was already after bin Laden and had already chosen to provide assistance to Northern Front/United Alliance leader Ahmad Shah Massoud before 9/11. So it's not necessarily true that 9/11 was the "only" reason the USA went into Afghanistan, but it provided a convenient immediate excuse to do it without questions.

Do you have a clue as to the correlation between America securing the poppy fields of Afghanistan and the proliferation of opioid prescriptions in the years that followed, enriching the same pharmaceutical companies that you so willingly defend today?

Considering that there's no lack of opium production regardless of whether or not Afghan is producing, I'm not sure what conspiracy you're alleging. I also am confused as to which pharmaceutical company people are defending that was a major player in the opium ramp-up.

Do you have a clue as to why we then stated that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and waged a war against them a few short years later?

A mix of conservatives' deep desire to attack Iraq, confirmation bias, Saddam's building and use of WMDs in the 1980s/90s, and outright lies.

Do you have a clue as to the implications of the Tuskegee study, and the federal government's complicit involvement in a medical procedure they assured the participants was both effective and ethical?

Yes.

Do you have a clue as to the simian proteins present in Polio shots administered between 1955-1963 in America that were responsible for millions of cases of Guillain Barr syndrome resulting in a boom of lymphoma cases?

That claim is wrong at numerous levels.

Vaccine Ingredients – SV40 | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

Do you have a clue as to the indemnity granted to MERCK following the discovery of heavy metals used as preservatives in the MMR vaccine roll out, and the direct correlation between those agents and autism--necessitating their removal and subsequent reclassification of autism as a "spectrum" disorder in the DSM-V to intentionally obfuscate the numbers of the afflicted and coverup one the largest public health crises in American history?

Whether or not heavy metals cause autism, the amount of heavy metals one was exposed to in some early vaccines is orders of magnitude lower than the heavy metal exposure caused regularly by industrial pollution and contamination, no casual or correlative link between vaccines and autism has ever been demonstrated, and since the research showing the lack of a link is global and not just American, I'm not sure why you're specifying America. Also the claim that autism is "one of the largest public health crises in American history" suggests a lack of familiarity with American history.

Do you have a clue as to what gain of function research is, it's legal status in America, and Fauci's role in granting off-shore funding for it via EcoHealth?

Gain of function research is legal. The Obama Administration put a moratorium on it in 2014 that was then lifted by the Trump Administration in 2017.

Do you have a clue as to the methodology of PCR tests, and the cycle thresholds they should be run at to be accurate in accordance with their creator, and their deliberate manipulation through the previous 15 months?

Yes I know the methodology.

"in accordance with their creator" is one of the dumbest, most unscientific suggestions I've heard. PCR testing was invented 40 years ago, why would you be enslaved to obey the advice of the original creator, which could be less-informed than everything we've learned since? There isn't a single industry or field of science that insists on slavishly following the commands of the "originator". Considering that Kary Mullis has been dead for two years and went off the deep end long before that (engaging in AIDS denial and claiming to have seen a florescent talking racc00n from outer space outside his home), he's not a great source to follow at this time.

No, I'm not aware of any "deliberate manipulation" over the last 15 months, nor would it have had any meaningful effect on hospitalizations and deaths.

Do you have a clue as to the long term implications of using messenger RNA to modify your DNA to recognize spike proteins as hostile, despite their topopgraphical similarity to placenta lining cells, and the long term sterilization risk for the population?

Messenger RNA does not modify your DNA. That's a foundational principle of biology. Also, every RNA-based virus is already introducing mRNA into your body, including Covid, so if this were a real issue it would be a huge deal long before the vaccine.

Do you have a clue as to the reasons why cash flow for Moderna dried up after their IPO, and why their first mRNA trials failed?

Yes, and the lessons learned from the mistakes in the first mRNA trials are one of the main reasons why these vaccines worked so effectively.

Do you have a clue as to the difference in delivery between mRNA technology and viral vector technology, and how blood clots are a decided risk for the latter and not the former?

Yes.

Do you have a clue as to the legal restrictions on advertising in America for non-FDA approved drugs, and why you don't see commercials for this vaccine, but instead you see meme's for #teamPfizer parroted by both paid posters and idiots alike, and free hamburger offers if you get a shot?

Yes.

Do you understand the intention of a representative democracy, and how its subversion by NGOs and unelected actors ruling via mandate leads to the current corporate oligarchy that we find ourselves in where a recourse via constitutional law is seen as politically motivated as opposed to an inalienable right bestowed upon all men created equal by god?

lol at that word salad. You have to make an actual specific statement for me to respond to that one.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Another thing I don't understand in the land of Smart Dumb nikkaville.

If one of their primary arguments against vaccines (and particularly Covid vaccines) is that because they don't have a 100% efficacy rate, then that "logically" equates to a 100% inefficacy rate (the sheer ignorance and failure to grasp the most basic mathematical principles is painful to witness in some of these threads ), why isn't that same standard applied to their own arguments?

If whatever solutions to curing or preventing Covid some of you dudes espouse aren't 100% effective, why do you take them seriously and believe them?

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Somehow the doubters of the vaccine have put the burden of proof on proponents of the vaccine.

Even though the vaccine has been researched, tested, and implemented by scientists using the Scientific Method.

The people who don’t trust the vaccine seemingly don’t need to prove why they don’t trust it. They simply deflect and demand that proponents further prove what science has already shown us to be medically indicated.

This is very scary. Especially given that over 100 million people in this country are willing to die on this hill, with no evidence or research to back their claims.

 

[RichYung]

Let folks gamble with COVID .... hopefully if it’s eating them up they can rub SeaMoss on their shins and be ok.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Somehow the doubters of the vaccine have put the burden of proof on proponents of the vaccine.

Even though the vaccine has been researched, tested, and implemented by scientists using the Scientific Method.

The people who don’t trust the vaccine seemingly don’t need to prove why they don’t trust it. They simply deflect and demand that proponents further prove what science has already shown us to be medically indicated.

This is very scary. Especially given that over 100 million people in this country are willing to die on this hill, with no evidence or research to back their claims.

Like I said, that mindset is a legit danger to civilization itself. MAGA is just one iteration of it. But if reason, logic, and tangible evidence can effectively be neutered in the minds of people on a large enough scale, all you have left is unrestrained chaos. And I'm not speaking hyperbolically.

 

[Bubba T]

Remember last year when people here were saying black people can't get COVID?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Remember last year when people here were saying black people can't get COVID?

Including a mod.