Calling leftists intolerant for not tolerating intolerance is just a far-right talking point

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This sounds an awful lot like a both sides argument but maybe I’m misreading your point.

@GoddamnyamanProf isn't arguing about perfection, he said progressive ideals are morally superior. Progressives want to change things for the better as society evolves. Conservatives want to keep things the same or move backwards in honor of “tradition” regardless of how that impacts vulnerable people. Practice is a whole other story like you said, but progressive politics sure do seem like they work better for societies as a whole.

That’s my surface level analysis but I think it’s what he was going for.

You guys make it a point to only focus on what's different between both sides to continue to villify the other side. That's one of many things you have in common with conservatives. Both sides want what's best for the country; again where they differ and where both sides focus is on the differences in the definitions of "better". Both sides fail in actually achieving their goals and blame the other sides for their failures. Both sides are willing to look the other way when their own people do bad (i.e. drones & deportations). Etc. Over time it just makes no sense to engage with ideologues on either side in any serious way. You are not here to exchange ideas or hear other points of view; you're here to have your own POVs celebrated and reinforced.

I will say this- in practice around the world progressivism does much better than conservatism, especially religious conservatism. But American progressives/socialists are in no way as competent or objective as Scandinavians for example. They understand the value of business, they don't double down on failure, they actually encourage the exchange of ideas rather than demonize alternative views among many other things.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

to villify the other side.

They're fascists.

 

[rapbeats]

You guys make it a point to only focus on what's different between both sides to continue to villify the other side. That's one of many things you have in common with conservatives. Both sides want what's best for the country; again where they differ and where both sides focus is on the differences in the definitions of "better". Both sides fail in actually achieving their goals and blame the other sides for their failures. Both sides are willing to look the other way when their own people do bad (i.e. drones & deportations). Etc. Over time it just makes no sense to engage with ideologues on either side in any serious way. You are not here to exchange ideas or hear other points of view; you're here to have your own POVs celebrated and reinforced.

I will say this- in practice around the world progressivism does much better than conservatism, especially religious conservatism. But American progressives/socialists are in no way as competent or objective as Scandinavians for example. They understand the value of business, they don't double down on failure, they actually encourage the exchange of ideas rather than demonize alternative views among many other things.

Thats because Scandi's feel as if they are all one people because technically they are. That is the biggest issue with the US doing anything like Universal healthcare. People(especially white people) get extremely iffy when thinking about some other non white person reaping the benefits. they get so iffy about it they themselves dont even realize their own benefits to having it even if said others reap some benefits.

Scandi's in general are much more involved in their own political process. Go look up how many of their eligible voters actually vote then compare that percentage to us here in the states. night and day. They also truly understand unions, corporations, etc. They're more educated in general when it comes to these subjects. Lets just be real about it. this is what happens when you have a lot of highly educated people as your citizens. you get things done and you do a lot of stuff that makes sense. not saying they dont make mistakes. they do. but you get the point.

 

[AndroidHero]

You already lost and are talking in circles.

You are the one advocating for less illegal immigration and less brown people now.

Either you’re a hypocrite or you’re a racist xenophobe.

wow you really are an idiot.

 

[Gus Money]

You guys make it a point to only focus on what's different between both sides to continue to villify the other side. That's one of many things you have in common with conservatives. Both sides want what's best for the country; again where they differ and where both sides focus is on the differences in the definitions of "better". Both sides fail in actually achieving their goals and blame the other sides for their failures. Both sides are willing to look the other way when their own people do bad (i.e. drones & deportations). Etc. Over time it just makes no sense to engage with ideologues on either side in any serious way. You are not here to exchange ideas or hear other points of view; you're here to have your own POVs celebrated and reinforced.

So you are making a both sides argument then. Glad we clarified that but a lot of what you just said is flat out wrong.

The right doesn’t want what’s best for the country. They want what’s best for themselves individually and they convince people that shyt will trickle down. We’ve got decades of evidence showing that that doesn’t work.

The left doesn’t “look the other way” when their own make mistakes. If anything they go too hard against their own to look impartial. You can look at Al Franken’s situation vs Roy Moore for a perfect example. Obama was regularly criticized for by the left over his use of drones and for being too moderate. You won’t see the right holding people accountable like that too often.

This whole thing about not being here to exchange ideas or hearing other POVs is also just not true but certain conservative posters love repeating it over and over. There are multiple threads on here with left leaning posters strongly disagreeing about issues. The right is by far the largest consumers of actual fake news that confirms their views. People on the left don’t fall for that shyt because they’re actually open to discussion and new ideas. If you disagree then let’s just keep it moving because I don’t know what to tell you.

You’re also ignoring the fact that the right goes the extra mile to obstruct things when the left is actually trying to implement policies. The ACA, Garland, the list is a mile long. Meanwhile you’ve got democrats still playing by the rules to keep things polite even though the right plays only to win. They’ve long since stopped pretending like the rules matter.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

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