Cam’ron sounds off on Jim Jones on “It Is What It Is”

[Cladyclad]

Jim Jones was the Fredo Santana of Dipset. It's not a perfect comparison because Fredo was more of a real nikka than Jones ever was and Jones became bigger than Fredo ever did but, the comparison I see is they were both always in the background/in the cut and that made people interested.

I forgot how much I liked this song.

What make a junkie a real nikka?

 

[Ozymandeas]

Let’s not down play with jim did. He was looked at like the 8th man on the roster rapping wise.

Funny nikka on skits and wild stupid nikka. Remember they have a video riding in a car and cam just sonning him.

The cam off after purple haze and Jim come up is something nobody expected ever.

Jim went free dirty nikka who can’t rap and goof ball

To putting out massive hits, literally setting trends in fashion, Wayne literally copying how he dress, putting out fire mixtapes and albums.

While cam literally gets punked by tru life, sonned by 50 and goes away.

Comes back puts no real money into his career and puts out mediocre shyt. The beats Jim was getting was available to cam I’m sure. But he feel off with the rest of the roc a fella artist after the breakup. Outside of Kanye

That's how I remember it. I was also peeping how after a while only Jim, Juelz and Freeky were in the music videos but, Cam was absent (he was in Ballin though) so it did come off like he abandoned ship.

 

[Ozymandeas]

What make a junkie a real nikka?

Jim Jones appealed to hood nikkas. Let's not rewrite history breh.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Yeah but I’m in the A. I’m 6ft+.

He seems like 5’6” and soft on tv. Nobody in Harlem or NYC is muscling this dude?

You know guns exist bruh

 

[Wacky D]

Jim Jones appealed to hood nikkas. Let's not rewrite history breh.

He was clowning Fredo, not jones.

 

[Braman]

And nikkas outside of NY didn't care about no damn Max B if that's what you mean.

This is why this thread has gone off the rails. There’s too many people opining and analyzing from afar, from the benefit of hindsight. It’s sounding real culture vulturey, or youngins, or Cacs

Only those groups skate over originators and underground movements like they were nothing, oh but you’re all over the mainstream acts that were influenced by them. It’s like folk who think the Tony Yayo dance is the John Cena dance

Max B is a prime example of ‘your favorite rappers favorite rapper’. From wiz Khalifa to currensy and more, he inspired dudes who went on to be big names. He was not just NY. If you post on here, you should know that

 

[JQ Legend]

Camron wasn’t a regular rapper nikka lol now you playing slow , his age up has been wack my nikka, the boss of dipset should be still dropping decent songs in 2025

Cam still nice

The intro to the vid in OP was dope

 

[Controversy]

fukked up shyt Cam did:

The Chrissy shirts
Copyrighting Byrdgang
Leaving Jim at the Rucker

fukked up shyt Jim did:

Turned on Cam to be used as a pawn by 50 after Cam was on Hot 97 arguing on their behalf against 50
Tried to create a fake beef with Cam
Ran off on Cam when BMF pulled up

Cam shyt is mostly immature shyt outside of the copyright thing that was actually foul as fukk but it happened after Jim suggested the fake beef so maybe he already checked out but it still wasn’t cool.



How much of We Fly High was a byproduct of Max? You’re in pure denial if you think the Byrdgang run was all Jim. Stack and Max provided the music and Mel provided the gangbanger co-sign.

Cam on the other hand is a product of his own making. Outside of the normal influences that all artists have, I can’t sit there and say “Oh, had this person not been around Hey Ma isn’t a hit” or “Clearly person X is a big reason why Oh Boy and Dipset Anthem blew up”

They not even comparable as artists imo.

Bynoe wrote Ballin

 

[Still Benefited]

This is why this thread has gone off the rails. There’s too many people opining and analyzing from afar, from the benefit of hindsight. It’s sounding real culture vulturey, or youngins, or Cacs

Only those groups skate over originators and underground movements like they were nothing, oh but you’re all over the mainstream acts that were influenced by them. It’s like folk who think the Tony Yayo dance is the John Cena dance

Max B is a prime example of ‘your favorite rappers favorite rapper’. From wiz Khalifa to currensy and more, he inspired dudes who went on to be big names. He was not just NY. If you post on here, you should know that

And this is where y'all come across sounding like stans? Jim Jones popularity is in question in here yet y'all wanna talk to me like everybody and they mama knew who Max B was? I'm telling y'all he wasn't like that,and the stats back me up on more than what y'all saying. I acknowledged Dipset had a cult following. nikkas knew Hell Rell and J.R Writer too if they were Dipset stans.


Let's not ever get that confused to think the general public who don't listen to Dipset know them nikkas. I think this is where y'all get it confused and over inflate the impact.

Now somebody who was having an impact for real,Plies. Yet sohh was acting like I was delusional back then too. We all saw how that worked out.


I honestly thought people being fans of Max was trolling. I'm sorry,but he really was terrible. Sorry,but being from the west coast,nikkas singing on hooks isn't groundbreaking. Those hooks of his was weak and he wasn't a good rapper. To each his own,but I digress since this thread isn't about Max. For the viewers at home,ask 10 nikkas to name a Max B song tomorrow when y'all go out for your daily reality check. Results may vary

 

[kt773]

Yeah Dipset was cool for a minute but their music does not translate well to a battle format imo. I never thought they had a chance,

I fukk with both , I didn’t
like that too cool for school shyt cam pulled

Cam still nice :mjtf;

The intro to the vid in OP was dope

He’s nice for a freestyle every now and then, album wise…creativity wise…it’s a wrap, cam ain’t been the same since get my pool in the back

 

[Still Benefited]

I think some of y'all think Dipset reached G-Unit heights sometimes. This is revisionist history. They were maybe as big as E40 and the Click who alot of y'all didn't know until the past decade. So let's not confuse internet soldiers and fandom with the streets. They had the internet on lock,but internet wasn't as prevalent as it was today in peoples lives.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I think some of y'all think Dipset reached G-Unit heights sometimes. This is revisionist history. They were maybe as big as E40 and the Click who alot of y'all didn't know until the past decade. So let's not confuse internet soldiers and fandom with the streets. They had the internet on lock,but internet wasn't as prevalent as it was today in peoples lives.

In the south and mid west dips was popping and 40 only really was poppin on the west coast. So I can’t say they wasn’t bigger then 40.

 

[BangBike]

 

[Still Benefited]

In the south and mid west dips was popping and 40 only really was poppin on the west coast. So I can’t say they wasn’t bigger then 40.

First rapper Futur mentioned as one of his influences he grew up listening to was E-40,not no damn Max B


How long will we do this dance where y'all downplay 40s impact in the south

Y'all keep telling me about the Dips popularity. But did they even sell more than The Click as a group? Did Cameron at his peak with aaaalll these hits sell more records than 40 lol? I gave them their props,they had a cult following nationwide(with help from Rocafella cosign). But the internet fandom is creating a gross over exaggeration of what the Dips were. Cult following doesn't speak to the general consensus. "Some nikkas in the south listened to Dipset and Rocafella" is a more accurate statement than "Dips was popping in the south" imo. We not allowing Dipset fans to try to prop up Cam retroactively. They want Cam to be a peer to Nas and Jay bad,he absolutely was not. He was waaaay closer to Jim Jones than he was to Mase even,let's not lose sight of that folks.

 

[BEN23]

I think some of y'all think Dipset reached G-Unit heights sometimes. This is revisionist history. They were maybe as big as E40 and the Click who alot of y'all didn't know until the past decade. So let's not confuse internet soldiers and fandom with the streets. They had the internet on lock,but internet wasn't as prevalent as it was today in peoples lives.

LIES