Can A Case Be Made That Rick Ross Has A Better Body Of Work Than Biggie?

[bigbadbossup2012]

The history re-writing is out of control in this thread.

"RTD" went 4x platinum with 2x plat singles and 1x gold single. That is more or less exactly as successful/ popular/whatever as the "heavyweights" were back then.

Fred.

I dont agree with the premise of this thread. But biggie wasnt poppin like that in 94'. More so 95'. I'd say the brat was more popular in 94'

 

[homiedontplaydat]

Let's be 100% real here.

Ross benefits greatly from there being virtually no competition in the rap game nowadays.

BIG came out in arguably the most competitive era in rap music, when every region was creating classics, and was right there with anyone you can name in terms of impact or classic music.

Fred.

Its not Ross' fault that its so many shytty rappers in his era. That still hasnt stopped him from collaborating with some of the best emcees from Biggies era...


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I mean you can stand your ground on the impact argument because Ross hasn't been around long enough to be "as well known" by the casual hiphop fan but that will happen in time.

Ross is building his legacy RIGHT NOW.

 

[10:31]

You can't tell Fred anything. You just have to respect son's opinion lol. He's literally in every Ross thread dissin or indirectly dissin anything he does.

I can already predict his God Forgives, I don't review. "Ross is saying the same thing, his production carries him. He isn't lyrical, the feature were great"

Banks

 

[Big Mel]

You're stating skewed facts. "Ready To Die" was not selling like that in '94, not opinion, straight fact. I'm pretty sure Meth's debut outsold "Ready To Die" in '94.

You're wrong. BIG sold three million albums in a calendar year. Meth did lie 1.5.


BIG was hands down the biggest rap artist in the game in 1994. Bigger than Wu and their solo albums, bigger than Snoop who was in soundtrack mode, bigger than PAC who was living off behavioral antics and Poor Out. Lil liquor and yet to drop a classic solo.

BIG was the mixtape, radio, video channel underground/mainstream balanced rapper du jour. I was there. It's the truth. Shut the fukk and deal with it.

 

[Big Mel]

Wu was making noise a full year before BIG came out, so to suggest that NY needed "saving" by him, is silly. That was the point I was addressing. Wu-mania was in full swing long before "RTD" dropped.

To go a step further, "Above The Rim" out sold the whole East?

Again,

Do you not understand virtually every artist from the East was going gold/plat/mult- back then? Outside of Death Row and it's affiliates the West wasn't really selling records like that. The RIAA Database will make this a very short debate. For every West coast artist you can mention that went gold/plat/multi- in the mid 90s, I can name 5-10 from the East. West sold more on their big albums, the East sold a hell of a lot more over all.

Fred.

I see you sayingnthisnabout the east a lot. It isn't true. Outside of random one off gimmicky successes like Onyx or Das Efx the east had only a handful of commercial successes.


Redman was a constant gold artist

Wu came and did their numbers

Naughty were sellers but kinda lame.

Tribe and the beasties did their numbers

Keith Murray caught a gold record


Other than that, all the flyest east coast shyt was bricking nationally.


Gang Starr
Jeru
Black Moon
Smuf n Wessun
De La
Krs One
DITC
Group Home
Erick Sermon
Masta Ace
Nas
Brand Nubian
Kurious
Leaders Of The New School
Kool G Rap
Nine



All those acts bricked at the box office.



It was BIG who came through and caught the kind of sales usually only attained by LA based gangster rap acts.

 

[hex]

You can't tell Fred anything. You just have to respect son's opinion lol. He's literally in every Ross thread dissin or indirectly dissin anything he does.

I can already predict his God Forgives, I don't review. "Ross is saying the same thing, his production carries him. He isn't lyrical, the feature were great"

Banks

Son, first off you are an unrepentant Ross stan. Let's get that out of the way first and foremost. Look at your avatar.

Secondly, the worst thing I said about Ross in this thread is that he's over rated....I also said BIG is over rated, but you're only focused on my comments about Ross. Again, because you're a Ross stan. At least pretend to be unbiased.

Aside from that, the main focus of my posts have been to correct people trying to rewrite history about BIG. If that makes Ross look bad, so be it, because it's reality.

Fred.

 

[stealthbomber]

what the fukk is going on in this thread. people are saying blatant lies like they politicians or some shyt.

i thought the coli would stay troll free for at least a few months..

 

[hex]

I see you sayingnthisnabout the east a lot. It isn't true. Outside of random one off gimmicky successes like Onyx or Das Efx the east had only a handful of commercial successes.

Redman was a constant gold artist

Wu came and did their numbers

Naughty were sellers but kinda lame.

Tribe and the beasties did their numbers

Keith Murray caught a gold record


Other than that, all the flyest east coast shyt was bricking nationally.


Gang Starr
Jeru
Black Moon
Smuf n Wessun
De La
Krs One
DITC
Group Home
Erick Sermon
Masta Ace
Nas
Brand Nubian
Kurious
Leaders Of The New School
Kool G Rap
Nine



All those acts bricked at the box office.



It was BIG who came through and caught the kind of sales usually only attained by LA based gangster rap acts.

I can name plat or multi-plat albums from the East before, during, and after the rise of gangster rap and/or Death Row. Before, during and after BIG too.

BIG sold 4 mill yes, but around the same time you had Tribe going plat....LL Cool J went 2x plat in '95, etc. To say the East was struggling or needing to be saved is a fallacy. You could completely remove BIG from the equation and you still have a solid 10+ years of plat plaques for the East.

And half the groups you mentioned are the East coast equivalent of Celly Cel....I could sit here and name a ton of West coast groups that bricked too. Obviously not everyone was selling on both coasts.

Fred.

 

[Big Mel]

I always forget about LL.


But at that point of like 1992 to 1995.... Like post Native Tongue, Public Enemy. When the hardcore shift was underway, the marquee acts in new York city were largely bricking.

Illmatic bricking sort of perfectly illustrates that.


And the only acts on my list that are celly cell equivalent ar Nine and Kurious.

 

[DANJ!]

I see you sayingnthisnabout the east a lot. It isn't true. Outside of random one off gimmicky successes like Onyx or Das Efx the east had only a handful of commercial successes.

Redman was a constant gold artist

Wu came and did their numbers

Naughty were sellers but kinda lame.

Tribe and the beasties did their numbers

Keith Murray caught a gold record

Other than that, all the flyest east coast shyt was bricking nationally.

Gang Starr
Jeru
Black Moon
Smuf n Wessun
De La
Krs One
DITC
Group Home
Erick Sermon
Masta Ace
Nas
Brand Nubian
Kurious
Leaders Of The New School
Kool G Rap
Nine

All those acts bricked at the box office.

It was BIG who came through and caught the kind of sales usually only attained by LA based gangster rap acts.

Yup, pretty much.

You mighta been reachin' hard a lot there, Fred. The East Coast was strugglin' in '93-'94. Musically, not bad at all... but sales-wise? Sad. The West definitely had it during that time. Snoop, Cube, Pac, Warren G, MC Eiht, Spice 1, Too Short, Coolio, Cypress, even niqqas like Domino... all these dudes were doin' gold and better. The East didn't start makin' the turnaround until '95 and then into '96. In fact, it was kinda a gripe back then that some of the very good NY albums of that time were famously not moving units, because the momentum was on the West. It may have SEEMED like the East was doin' it cause they were makin' a lot of records people LIKED, but not records that people were BUYING.

 

[Big Mel]

Exactly. Illmatic.


Gang Starr didn't go gold till 1998.


Boot camp have ZERO plaques to this day.


Krs didn't strike gold till I Got Next as a solo act.


De La haven't sold since 1991.


Kool G Rap has never sold. Ever.


Fat Joe is the only DITC member to ever sell....and it was post Pun.


Once EPMD split Sermon never sold gold again. Murray only went hold on his debut.



That's the cream of the crop from the east aside from Wu, Tribe and BIG and Def Squad.


The boom started in 1995 with BIG....Mobb....Wu.....later Nas.....even later Jay etc.



Then the sales spike and everything went to shyt.

 

[DANJ!]

And on top of that, many of the West Coast acts that were failing to hit gold or better were groups that appealed more to an East Coast sound/style- Alkaholiks, Pharcyde, Souls of Mischief, Del, Casual, Freestyle Fellowship, etc.

 

[bl2k8]

Y'all are fukking ridiculous, Ross don't even got a classic album.

 

[U More Bitch Than A Bitch]

Uh NO that is incorrect.

The album was a big success and it was everywhere when it came out all the singles were huge stop trying to re write history and/or speak on things you don't know about.

"Upon its release, Ready to Die received strong reviews,and unlike other acclaimed East Coast hip hop albums released at the time (including the Wu-Tang Clan's Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) and Nas' Illmatic), such critical success was matched commercially, with sales driven by strong radio and MTV airplay for the singles "Juicy" and "Big Poppa". Rolling Stone praised Biggie's ability in "painting a sonic picture so vibrant that you're transported right to the scene". Q magazine wrote "...the natural rapping, clever use of sound effects and acted dialogue, and concept element... set this well apart from the average gangsta bragging".[24] The album peaked at #3 and #13 on Billboard's (North America) Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums and the Billboard 200 album charts and was eventually certified quadruple platinum"

The album only sold like 50K in it it's first week but went gold a few months later and after Big Poppa dropped he went PLAT.

Stupid.

LOL@u using wiki with cumulative sales as a reference. Then u say he sold 50,000 first week. 50,000 than pathetic. Snoop did like 850,000 first week

 

[DANJ!]

You're stating skewed facts. "Ready To Die" was not selling like that in '94, not opinion, straight fact. I'm pretty sure Meth's debut outsold "Ready To Die" in '94.

In the calendar year? Nah. Meth's album came out on November 22nd- by then, BIG's album was already gold. Meth's album was prob. gold by early-95 (while BIG's had hit plat), and then platinum after the "All I Need" joint pushed it there (even tho' that wasn't the one on the album, he prob. sold a lotta copies off the strength of that song blowin' up).

Trust me, I was checking Billboard mag every week back then...I recall that.