88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
@DEAD7 come get your ideologues
Edit: my bad I see you're busy with http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-official-2016-disney-draft.452021/
jesus
That why we had to postpone the podcast? @DEAD7
Can Capitalism Ever Be "Green"?
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jesus
That why we had to postpone the podcast? @DEAD7
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Oh, okay! Figured I'd check!
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
I don't think so, since nature can't be assigned a value. That's why we've been destroying nature, because in capitalist terms it only gains value once we use it to do something. A tree in the Amazon : no value. The same tree once it's cut off : value, because you can now sell it.
Also, capitalism deals with short-term, while any serious green philosophy can only be considered on the long term.
So capitalism can become greener obviously, but it won't be a green economy either. And the fact that they sell green/bio products here and there and plant a tree for every cup of coffee you drink won't change that, as long as you don't change the fondamentals of capitalism which is that the environment has no value. Not in the sense that it has no value, but in the sense that capitalism has no tools to properly access the value to our well-being of clean air, clean water, healthy food, trees, etc. Hell, capitalism is not destined to increase well-being anyway, but wealth.
Also, capitalism deals with short-term, while any serious green philosophy can only be considered on the long term.
So capitalism can become greener obviously, but it won't be a green economy either. And the fact that they sell green/bio products here and there and plant a tree for every cup of coffee you drink won't change that, as long as you don't change the fondamentals of capitalism which is that the environment has no value. Not in the sense that it has no value, but in the sense that capitalism has no tools to properly access the value to our well-being of clean air, clean water, healthy food, trees, etc. Hell, capitalism is not destined to increase well-being anyway, but wealth.
Capitalism would be green if we lived in a capitalist society. But we do not.
We live in a society where corporations write their own laws, where subsidies are given to the super rich, where trade policies practically boycott green energy.
The demand is there but laws a literally in place to stop it. The exact opposite of what capitalism is suppose to do.
There are laws in states where if you go completely green, you have to pay a 50 dollar tax to the local power company for infrastructure fees. Think about that for a moment.
We live in a society where corporations write their own laws, where subsidies are given to the super rich, where trade policies practically boycott green energy.
The demand is there but laws a literally in place to stop it. The exact opposite of what capitalism is suppose to do.
There are laws in states where if you go completely green, you have to pay a 50 dollar tax to the local power company for infrastructure fees. Think about that for a moment.
plushcarpet
Superstar
No, never
a rotting planet, extreme pollution, death, chaos, plague, civil unrest, and every other problem that comes from abusing the planet is a great market to work with
What is Tesla a product of? The soviet union?
a rotting planet, extreme pollution, death, chaos, plague, civil unrest, and every other problem that comes from abusing the planet is a great market to work with
What is Tesla a product of? The soviet union?
While motherfukkas are bickering over whether capitalism can save the world, We’ve Devoured a Year’s Worth of Natural Resources in Just Seven Months