Canceling student loan debt isn't practical without a longterm solution.

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

I still owe about 11k. So i'm not one of the people hating.

And I won't complain if it's wiped.


But then what? You got high school students all over the country that will end up in the same predicament, and the next few decades will see student loan debt back to over 1 trillion.

Thanos tried to do the same thing, but his plan wasn't practical. You wipe away 1/2 of the universe because there wasn't enough resources, and eventually the population will be back to the way it was eventually.


So do you forgive the debt ever 20 years?


In order to fix the problem, you have to understand how we got here in the first place. College use to be affordable, because most state schools were funded by TAXES, along with a lot of other things like infrastructure. But white people got tired of paying taxes and there was a tax revolt that started in California and spread across the nation. Schools had less money coming from the government and loans became the go to method of paying for college. And with less and less money coming from the government, tuition went up.


Everything that's wrong with this country, started when generations before ours didn't want to pay for social services any longer, and we've been conditioned to say fukk paying taxes ever since.

 

[Yinny]

It won’t be canceled, the end. Enjoy your Christmas

 

[MIKE SPLEAN]

Tech companies make trillions a year off of our data and don’t consistently pay tax

we don’t even know where the data from the coli goes or who it’s sold to

Increase tax on the rich

Force companies like Amazon and Netflix to pay their taxes

tech companies start paying us for the data they steal from our phones

that money would be enough for universal basic income for the country or could easily cover student loan debt

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Tech companies make trillions a year off of our data and don’t consistently pay tax

we don’t even know where the data from the coli goes or who it’s sold to

Increase tax on the rich

Force companies like Amazon and Netflix to pay their taxes

tech companies start paying us for the data they steal from our phones

that money would be enough for universal basic income for the country or could easily cover student loan debt

Why would the government do that when they’ve been tied to the hip with the rich all along? The people you have blind faith in solving the problem were the ones who helped create it in the first place.

 

[BurstWicks]

OP the links in your sig are broken

 

[Big Blue]

It's crazy that people don't understand this and it highlights how selfish and hypritcritical that people who get mad at the ones who paid off their debt who want something too. I say this as someone with 14k left to pay.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

You would have to dismantle academia and reconstruct it. We have invested so much in research 1 universities and inflated professors pay and endowments to where all of the satellite universities are trying to compete. For instance, look at how public universities operate. There are usually one or two primary state universities with satellites everywhere. Think of UTexas and UTSanAntonio or UTElPaso. The satellite schools were meant to provide broad access to higher education with the main campuses being the centers for academic excellence.


We can have free education but the problem I see with that is it devalues education itself. I believe that if you want to go beyond the community college level you should either pay, use financial aid or get scholarships. I’m not opposed to making it free but, remember that if it’s funded publicly then there will be more oversight about what gets studied. And many in academia work hand in hand with lobbyists to produce work to support their political agendas. Where do you think the basis for the Moynihan report and Great Society initiatives and all that shyt comes from?

also consider that public universities are the largest employers in some large cities. Birmingham and UAB comes to mind. Forgiving those loans might cause that house of cards to fall.
The same with university hospitals. If we upset the current system we have, it might lead to less students and workers and residencies and stuff. And it would make the private institutions valuation skyrocket

at the end of the day I would like to see more public and private investment in education preschool-phd.

 

[Spence]

I could give a fukk about tomorrows student loan problems when we have a gigantic problem today that can be solved.

 

[CopiousX]

I still owe about 11k. So i'm not one of the people hating.

And I won't complain if it's wiped.


But then what? You got high school students all over the country that will end up in the same predicament, and the next few decades will see student loan debt back to over 1 trillion.

Thanos tried to do the same thing, but his plan wasn't practical. You wipe away 1/2 of the universe because there wasn't enough resources, and eventually the population will be back to the way it was eventually.


So do you forgive the debt ever 20 years?


In order to fix the problem, you have to understand how we got here in the first place. College use to be affordable, because most state schools were funded by TAXES, along with a lot of other things like infrastructure. But white people got tired of paying taxes and there was a tax revolt that started in California and spread across the nation. Schools had less money coming from the government and loans became the go to method of paying for college. And with less and less money coming from the government, tuition went up.


Everything that's wrong with this country, started when generations before ours didn't want to pay for social services any longer, and we've been conditioned to say fukk paying taxes ever since.

Honestly, i dont see the difference here. The convo amounts to semantics. The tax payer is still paying for the nation's college students whether they do it on the front end through a %tax or on the back end with forgiveness/default-on-loans. Even with biden, only the public debts would be covered.


The only permanent fix for education is the same one we need for healthcare. Both must be Nationalized and publicly funded, because both help the nation in the long run. It does not help society to have a bunch of paraplegics and diseased people anymore than it aids us to have the illiterate or a population of financially strained young people refusing to have kids. The method to get to this nationalized system is irrelevant. And it should come with a few reasonable restrictions that could be drawn from the healthcare model.


For example, i dont think art majors should be funded at all; similar to how optional/elective procedures (lyposuction, lazr eye surg, etc) dont get funded through national health schemes. Hell, a quota on humanities majors majors might be a good idea also, since the premise is that we fund these students based on their benefit to society.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Honestly, i dont see the difference here. The convo amounts to semantics. The tax payer is still paying for the nation's college students whether they do it on the front end through a %tax or on the back end with forgiveness/default-on-loans. Even with biden, only the public debts would be covered.


The only permanent fix for education is the same one we need for healthcare. Both must be Nationalized and publicly funded, because both help the nation in the long run. It does not help society to have a bunch of paraplegics and diseased people anymore than it aids us to have the illiterate or a population of financially strained young people refusing to have kids. The method to get to this nationalized system is irrelevant. And it should come with a few reasonable restrictions that could be drawn from the healthcare model.


For example, i dont think art majors should be funded at all; similar to how optional/elective procedures (lyposuction, lazr eye surg, etc) dont get funded through national health schemes. Hell, a quota on humanities majors majors might be a good idea also, since the premise is that we fund these students based on their benefit to society.

Like how the Met Gala pays for the fashion design programs since the endowment doesn’t cover it since it’s not a top priority field.

 

[Spence]

Honestly, i dont see the difference here. The convo amounts to semantics. The tax payer is still paying for the nation's college students whether they do it on the front end through a %tax or on the back end with forgiveness/default-on-loans. Even with biden, only the public debts would be covered.


The only permanent fix for education is the same one we need for healthcare. Both must be Nationalized and publicly funded, because both help the nation in the long run. It does not help society to have a bunch of paraplegics and diseased people anymore than it aids us to have the illiterate or a population of financially strained young people refusing to have kids. The method to get to this nationalized system is irrelevant. And it should come with a few reasonable restrictions that could be drawn from the healthcare model.


For example, i dont think art majors should be funded at all; similar to how optional/elective procedures (lyposuction, lazr eye surg, etc) dont get funded through national health schemes. Hell, a quota on humanities majors majors might be a good idea also, since the premise is that we fund these students based on their benefit to society.

Art majors are what got America (and the world) through the pandemic while everyone was streaming shyt at home

Just because it isn’t STEM doesn’t mean it isn’t important

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

We can have free education but the problem I see with that is it devalues education itself. I believe that if you want to go beyond the community college level you should either pay, use financial aid or get scholarships.

You’re saying that the college name and cost is the value, not the actual education.

 

[CopiousX]

Art majors are what got America (and the world) through the pandemic while everyone was streaming shyt at home

Just because it isn’t STEM doesn’t mean it isn’t important

I disagree. That streaming was literally made possible by the by the brilliant CS, math, and engineering majors at netflix, apple, and amazon. An honorable mention goes out to the biz majors (accounting, finance, CIS, etc) that made it possible.



Furthermore, it was actually the talented chemists, biologists, doctors, and nurses that got us through the pandemic by facilitating the vaccines and health system allowing you to breath. I'd like to see Keanu Reeves and Lily Wachowski decipher viral carbon-base pairs...



on a more serious note tho my original comment dealt with govt funding of those art majors. i actually like @CodeBlaMeVi 's suggestion of private entities funding those elective career paths. If a billionaire or group of them is willing to fund your film degree be my guest, but it shouldnt get a dime from the public coffers until our need for other majors is satiated.

 

[Spence]

I disagree. That streaming was literally made possible by the by the brilliant CS, math, and engineering majors at netflix, apple, and amazon. An honorable mention goes out to the biz majors (accounting, finance, CIS, etc) that made it possible.

Who the fk created the content Einstein

 

[HARLEM AL]

The whole shyt is scam. You basically saying it’s ok to keep scamming people and that all theses big companies keep getting tax breaks.


I get it, fukk the people that keep the economy going…