Canibus is ahead of his time.

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as a fan on lyricism canibus is ok but let's not act like he pun or ras kass with the pen game as far as writing.


Canibus was outdoing Ras Kass on that Horsemen album and Pun never lived long enough to grow lyrically as with Canibus who grew from a battle rap style to technical complexity.
 

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Yeah. He's def ahead of his time. Back then was like you have listen to Canibus. Whatever he is a guest feat on any rapper cd and you saw his name on cd and was :gladbron: gotta listen to this sh!t cause you knew he about to murder this sh!t.






Love that album.

Have anyone heard From Whom The Beat Tolls album? cause I haven't heard this album.....

I have all his albums, and that album has some classic canibus style tracks on it.
 

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Alot of people ruined canibus like previously stated. Including stoupe. He has always had someone fukk him over. IMO he came out in a time when hip hop was slowly dying and just never found the right group to. Work with. His first two albums are straight classics. IMO he is the goat lyrically, and my personal goat. No one will ever come to his stature, lyrically, or his pure love for hip hop.

Side. Note, rip vs poet on Lyrical law =insane


are you prepared to talk about dizaster absolutely destroyed him?

are you prepared to talk about how he portrayed himself to be super duper mc with hundreds of thousands of bars ready to be spit on demand, yet he got chewed so bad and had to sway back and forth with sunglasses on looking like ray charles and pull out a notebook? :heh:
 

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Some people say some stupid shyt and prove they ain't really up on Bis's work properly.
 

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The way hip hop dismissed Canibus is a TRAVESTY...

And the reason why I don't take that "lyrical" argument seriously, when Lyrical Lames use it to justify their tastes...

Kool G Rap making a Top 10 list based on "lyricism" and he doesn't even include Canibus...DISGUSTING...

Canibus is the GOAT lyricist to ever go at least gold in Hip Hop...


canibus was no technical Marvel.
That is why he is never listed wit the greats.
Plus, he got served.
Not once but twice,...
Then, his actual okay technical skills never advanced to match the sonic landscape change.
So, his rhymes got more offkey with his fake aggressive delivery.
On top, of the disaster shyt.

canibus, was only good on features till nigaz we withll worh dropped.
Afte that, he was on that slippery slope to exposal.

Duke is no emcee, like that.
Just a writer, who got to take advantage of the explosion of jiggy, and the downplay of lyricism in the mainstream.
On top of a transisition in sonic landscape.
that he was exposed on as soon as first drop off in skill.
Where he never ramped up fast enough after c true Hollywood stories.

The way he lost that battle,...
There is no way you are going to convince me that can is is dope.
He just had some written,....
nikka, fukk yo writtens!!!



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Even with in "lyricism" (as in elite level song writing/rapping) there are different genres and skill sets that people will specialize in. Bis not being on his list has nothing to do with slighting him as a writer, it's guys on that list that simply DO more.
Canibus is indeed one of the greatest lyricist but he's more of a wordsmith, high vocabulary, word oriented emcee who has never really been known for tricky patterns or a lot of flash. Bis is much more of a WORDSMITH than say a Jay-z but his brand of lyricism isn't automatically superior, nor does it make him a better song writer which really is the bottom line of being a lyricist is.
Not including Canibus on any Top 10 list "based on lyricism" is PRETENTIOUS...

Especially, when Lyrical Lames use the qualifier "technically"...For example, you will see a thread titled "List Your Top 10 Technically Superior Lyricists"....And no one will list Canibus...

But it is only right, because "lyricism," "song writing" and etc are 100% subjective...We can't really debate opinions that are based on emotions...

But if we define "lyricism" as the use of the English language to express complex ideas, feelings and emotions(because we are in English speaking countries) then I don't think that any rapper, who has ever sold over 100K, can say that they are better than Canibus...

Not 2Pac (The GOAT) Biggie, Nas, Jay Z, Eminem and etc...
 

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your post in 100% on point.

the funniest thing was the video you see now on youtube was edited. There was a thread on thecoli with someone streaming the battle live...there was actually periods of like 1:30-2:00 minutes of silence and canibus swaying back and forth with them sunglasses on and him staring and grinning at dizaster and people in the crowd like :wtf: kotd edited the video everyone sees now on youtube out of respect...them moments of silence was so awkward :snoop:
 

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are you prepared to talk about dizaster absolutely destroyed him?

are you prepared to talk about how he portrayed himself to be super duper mc with hundreds of thousands of bars ready to be spit on demand, yet he got chewed so bad and had to sway back and forth with sunglasses on looking like ray charles and pull out a notebook? :heh:

People can argue this for days. His catalog of albums is still way beyond anything disaster will ever fathom. People take losses, he took one that day. Bis couldn't remember what he wrote down, diz did. To say that tarnishes his career, is just stupid. People bigger then him have taking Ls. Is Jay still big after being etherd by Nah? Biggie and pac?
 

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the funniest thing was the video you see now on youtube was edited. There was a thread on thecoli with someone streaming the battle live...there was actually periods of like 1:30-2:00 minutes of silence and canibus swaying back and forth with them sunglasses on and him staring and grinning at dizaster and people in the crowd like :wtf: kotd edited the video everyone sees now on youtube out of respect...them moments of silence was so awkward :snoop:
Yeah I saw that. It was not a good day showing up to a battle in a sling....maybe he had his back up notebook in the sling, like who wants to hear more shyt I couldn't remember?

In his defense I think he did admit he can't hang with today's battlers. It was bad match up. U reap what u sow.
 

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People can argue this for days. His catalog of albums is still way beyond anything disaster will ever fathom. People take losses, he took one that day. Bis couldn't remember what he wrote down, diz did. To say that tarnishes his career, is just stupid. People bigger then him have taking Ls. Is Jay still big after being etherd by Nah? Biggie and pac?

:dwillhuh: but bis is the one who said he was super mc. The mc that canibus portrays himself in his songs would have never lost to anyone :dwillhuh:
 

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are you prepared to talk about dizaster absolutely destroyed him?

are you prepared to talk about how he portrayed himself to be super duper mc with hundreds of thousands of bars ready to be spit on demand, yet he got chewed so bad and had to sway back and forth with sunglasses on looking like ray charles and pull out a notebook? :heh:




How many hit songs does Dizaster have? Canibus has atleast 1. How many dope albums does Dizaster have?? Canibus has at the least 3. Can u even name 2 Dizaster songs?? Canibus destroyed himself in that battle.....If it was Math or Hollow Da Don the outcome woulda been the same....You are putting to much empesis on Dizaster as if his body of work has more merit. Rza admitted to losing to Mooney D in the Blaze Battle...But who's bigging up Mooney D???
 
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Cwnu us was no technical Marcel.
That is why he is neger listed wit the greats.
Plus, he got served.
Not once but twice,...
Then, his actual okay technical skills never advanced to match the sonic landscape change.
So, his rhymes got more offkey with his fake aggressive delivery.
On top, of the disaster shyt.
canibus, was only good on features till nigaz we withll worh dropped.
Afte that, he was on that slippery slope to exposal.
Duke is no emcee, like that.
Just a writer, who got to take advantage of the explosion of jiggy, and the downplay of lyricism in the mainstream.
On top of a transisition in sonic landscape.
that he was exposed on as soon as first drop off in skill.
Where he never ramped up fast enough after c true Hollywood stories.
Te way he lost that battle,...
There is no way you are going to convince me that can is is dope.
He just had some written,....
nikka, fukk yo writtens!!!
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(1) Hip Hop battles are a joke to me, because the best comedian ALWAYS wins...Case in point, Sirius Jones DEFECATING on Jin, and putting him on an indefinite hiatus...hahaha...Even though, I would say Jin was the better rapper...

(2) I don't need a scenic "sonic landscape" to enjoy Canibus' music...He is the ONLY rapper I can listen to even if he was rhyming over a beat made by a 7 year old who just learned how to a song on the piano...

Canibus' words speak for themselves...Dude has heavy bars, abstract thought patterns, introspection, vocabulary, and he talks about all issues...

(3) I am not trying to convince you that Canibus is dope, but if you don't think he is dope, then I am not convince who ever you have above Canibus (if his name is not 2Pac) is better than Canibus...That's all I am saying...

In summary,

If Canibus is not in your top 10, and you are basing your top 10 on "lyricism" then whoever are on your top 10, not named 2Pac, are probably rappers that I have never bothered listening to...

Not having Canibus on a top 10 list based on "lyricism" is PRETENTIOUS...Period.
 
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