Canibus was that nikka and was that nice and nobody got him in their top 10 smh

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He had the wrong people around him and was stubborn. If someone pulls him aside and takes the Devil's Pie beat, along with whatever else Premier was trying to throw him, his career is likely different. It could have saved the first album, or elevated the second album into a real comeback.

If there was no Wyclef to fukk up his album and he took the Illmatic approach, the album we could have gotten :noah:

I agree… to an extent. But wyclef was way more successful than canibus, even without Lauryn. Across multiple solo albums. So was it Clef? Or has canibus always been too stubborn/arrogant to take direction from people who could’ve helped him?
 

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I agree… to an extent. But wyclef was way more successful than canibus, even without Lauryn. Across multiple solo albums. So was it Clef? Or has canibus always been too stubborn/arrogant to take direction from people who could’ve helped him?
95% of Clef's success was momentum from The Score and proximity to Lauryn. Neither of which helped Canibus. Clef brought NOTHING good to Bis. Any benefit was negated and far outweighed by the silver paint and trash beats/execution.
 
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95% of Clef's success was momentum from The Score and proximity to Lauryn. Neither of which helped Canibus. Clef brought NOTHING good to Bis. Any benefit was negated and far outweighed by the silver paint and trash beats/execution.

Here’s what I’ve never understood about this argument. No one has more production credits on that first album than Canibus. How the fukk do you have the fugees production team at their peak and you’re a co-producer on every track?

If it ends up like Lauryn’s first album, cool. If not, you gotta eat that imo.

2nd on production credits is jerry wonder. 3rd is Clef. The best track on the album imo was produced by salaam remi. We know what he went on to do with Nas.

can-i put out a brick. Period. Then he said fukk everyone involved for the most part and put out another brick. HOW is that on wyclef, who meanwhile was dropping hits? when the overwhelming evidence from canibus career suggests he was an arrogant brick layer?
 

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Here’s what I’ve never understood about this argument. No one has more production credits on that first album than Canibus. How the fukk do you have the fugees production team at their peak and you’re a co-producer on every track?

If it ends up like Lauryn’s first album, cool. If not, you gotta eat that imo.

2nd on production credits is jerry wonder. 3rd is Clef. The best track on the album imo was produced by salaam remi. We know what he went on to do with Nas.

can-i put out a brick. Period. Then he said fukk everyone involved for the most part and put out another brick. HOW is that on wyclef, who meanwhile was dropping hits? when the overwhelming evidence from canibus career suggests he was an arrogant brick layer?
Picked or found the sample - producer credit
Changed the snare - producer credit
Told the DJ what/how to scratch on the hook - producer credit

The Hitmen have mad stories how Diddy turned a kick down just to get producer credit.

2000 BC was good, the damage was done. To come back from a bad debut album, you need smash hits like, ironically, The Fugees. Canibus wasn't making a Killing Me Softly. IF you get a 2nd album.

If you want to put the tin foil kufi on, they gave him first credit to pass the buck because they knew they gave him some trash.
 
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His Verse on beast from the east is top10 oat imo

But Overall He lacks catalog to be top10
 

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his entire entrance from mixtape freestyles, radio shows and guest appearances was pure excellence, he put the fear in so many artists back then..
wyclef came along and Ruined the whole plot!!

Clef was only with him for one album. What about the rest?
 

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Everybody on reddit ain't black and it's been asked here and people said he won actually I'll make a thread


It still remains a black artform, sorry for my original typo.

And I would definitely be interested in the that thread, but moreso I'm worried that you derive your opinions from others.

If you think Canibus won that's okay. It's okay for you to have your own opinions. I have a difference in opinion. And there's no reason we can't try to see things from one another's perspective.
Why do you feel Canibus won?
 

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It still remains a black artform, sorry for my original typo.

And I would definitely be interested in the that thread, but moreso I'm worried that you derive your opinions from others.

If you think Canibus won that's okay. It's okay for you to have your own opinions. I have a difference in opinion. And there's no reason we can't try to see things from one another's perspective.
Why do you feel Canibus won?
Off bars alone he won
 
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