Capitalism is the root of racism, high key

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Africans were sold to feudalistic plantation owners in the name of making money:francis:

A civil war was fought in which up to a million lives were lost in the name of making money:francis:

Jim Crow laws were passed to imprison and heavily fine black people in the name of making money:francis:

Black people were systematically killed to get rid of competition in the name of making money :francis:


Police are called to ritzy stores to keep poor Black folks from visiting in the name of making money:francis:

The very fact America doesn't have universal healthcare, free or low cost college, good maternity/paternity systems, higher minimum wage, more vacation time in the name of making money :francis:


this BS economic system dd not just ruin the United States but it also hugely affected much of the world. Just look at the hacienda system in Latin America and colonialism in Africa and Asia and the extermination of idigenous peoples all over:francis:


If you are a POC and a full blown capitalist, in my opinion, you are a c00n:hhh:
 

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In no way is it the Root Of Racism. but I agree completely that racism is needed for capitalism to exist. Racism exist Globally in communism and other forms as well that are not capitalistic. Racism has no roots other than white global dominance of the Afrikan world. That’s where it can from. And for that it will always flourish through the world as long as blacks are oppressed and power suppressed.
 
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Africans were sold to feudalistic plantation owners in the name of making money:francis:

A civil war was fought in which up to a million lives were lost in the name of making money:francis:

Jim Crow laws were passed to imprison and heavily fine black people in the name of making money:francis:

Black people were systematically killed to get rid of competition in the name of making money :francis:


Police are called to ritzy stores to keep poor Black folks from visiting in the name of making money:francis:

The very fact America doesn't have universal healthcare, free or low cost college, good maternity/paternity systems, higher minimum wage, more vacation time in the name of making money :francis:


this BS economic system dd not just ruin the United States but it also hugely affected much of the world. Just look at the hacienda system in Latin America and colonialism in Africa and Asia and the extermination of idigenous peoples all over:francis:

Indeed :ehh:.

Winner take all me vs. you places conflict at the core of society. In such a system we need some criteria for determining who "deserves" more and who does not, which naturally drives us to casts, class and exclusion.

If you are a POC and a full blown capitalist, in my opinion, you are a c00n:hhh:

:whoa: I wouldn't go that far myself.
 

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I have several problems with your conclusion, some of which I talked about here: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/cla...undation-of-white-supremacy-narrative.786763/

BEWARE, THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE OF CAPITALISM, BUT RATHER A TRUE INDICTMENT OF WHITE SUPREMACY AND NEGROPHOBIA





Fred Hampton:
We’re going to fight racism not with racism, but we’re going to fight with solidarity. We say we’re not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we’re going to fight it with socialism…. We’re going to fight… with all of us people getting together and having an international proletarian revolution.

I take all of the above statements for various forms of class reductionism. Here are my problems with class reductionism:

  • While white supremacy is most likely an offshoot of capitalism, capitalism is not the foundation of white supremacy. The difference is fundamental; a house can't stand without its foundations. This is the reasoning those I hold for class reductionists use to justify their argument that not only you can't get rid of white supremacy without getting rid or fixing capitalism, but also that getting rid of or fixing capitalism will fix the white supremacy and racism issues.
  • Capitalism is a motor and white supremacy is pollution. If you create a giant motor, and let it run for hundreds of years leading to mass pollution of the planet... Will turning it off or destroying the motor make your planet unpolluted? White supremacy is probably an offshoot of capitalism. That doesn't imply that destroying capitalism will destroy white supremacy. White supremacy became its own entity, with its own means of oppression, its own levers, its own paradigm, that cannot be understood entirely by the prism of class struggle, even if fathered by capitalism.
  • Africans in China being barred from businesses, or accused of carrying COVID-19 and evicted and thrown out in the streets... Is that a consequence of capitalism? Is the heavy discrimination/hatred practiced by Italy against Africans standing on the shoulder of capitalism, when in facts, it goes against capitalist interests? Italy to legalize 200,000 migrants in the face of labor shortages; Is Eastern Europe's determination to preserve whiteness from any melanated folks a result of capitalism? Will the white American child who says the n-word all of a sudden be "liberated" from the racism somehow "imposed on himself" by the capitalist system once this one system crumbles?
  • White supremacy is a global culture which transcends economic systems. The destruction of black Wall Street isn't the fruit of capitalism. It's the fruit of a culture of hatred that was cultivated organically by all classes of so-called superior races. it doesn't even make sense when put under the lens of capitalism (see below).
  • Capitalism doesn't even necessarily fukk with racism, for racism doesn't make sense in a capitalist system, because it makes it inefficient. Barring black workers from your capitalist company doesn't make sense economically. Preventing a major segment of people from getting richer based on an arbitrary trait is destroying a consumer base and huge market. Civil rights/integration benefited capitalism as well as its needs for constant growth, in fact, it fits in capitalist ideals. Capitalist interests were actually some of the reasons leading to the official abolition of slavery by enslaving nations.
  • The Kwame Nture argument that because "capitalism destroyed us, then we must be socialist" is also flawed. The argument "my enemy was X when he beat me, so I must become Y, the opposite of X" is a poor one.
Strawman about class-reductionism:
The Myth of Class Reductionism

Although there are no doubt random, dogmatic class reductionists out there, the simple fact is that no serious tendency on the left contends that racial or gender injustices or those affecting LGBTQ people, immigrants, or other groups as such do not exist, are inconsequential, or otherwise should be downplayed or ignored. Nor do any reputable voices on the left seriously argue that racism, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia are not attitudes and ideologies that persist and cause harm.

“Class reductionism” is, in other words, a myth.

Not at all the argument that class-reductionism puts up. Class-reductionism doesn't say that marxists, socialists and other don't believe in racism or minimize it. It says they don't understand its full scope, namely as a culture operating beyond economic systems.


That is NOT to say that capitalism benefits black people, that capitalism is good, that trying to tackle capitalism can't be beneficial to black people. Talking about class reductionism doesn't mean that capitalism is any good. I'm not saying any of that.

I'm saying stop simplifying issues by using shortcuts that trivialize them. I'm not surprised that white Marxists, socialists, etc. love this idea that in fighting capitalism they actually fighting white supremacy. But I'm surprised that today, a lot of black people harp on this idea too, especially with all the progress we made in understanding how white supremacy and negrophobia work globally as a culture, regardless of the system it operates under. I just don't want my peers to fall for the thousandth okey-dokey talking about "comrade"



with their oppressed white brother just to end up in a new system, where the same brother will tell them to stop with identity politics, since "racism disappeared with the revolution stop being divisive". While practicing the same insidious negrophobia & discrimination that permeates every society and system regardless of ideological positioning.
 
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You know slaves existed before capitalism right? Destruction of villages, homes, family structures happened before capitalism. Human property of the state had been going on for thousands of years.

I don't understand why black folks want a supportive role to communism as if it's some Utopia lifestyle. Hell a white man created it and you still want it....

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UpAndComing said:
Whiteness is the root of racism

Slavery is the root cause of the entire 'White race'......

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It may have started out that way, but you have poor white people who don’t even have a full set of teeth in their mouth looking down on any black person.

The fact that Black people are told to just pull out pants up, and carry ourselves a certain way, yet Barack Obama, black Ivy League educated attorney still got called the n-word tells you it’s not just about money. They need to feel superior.

Look how white people say racist and offensive things, then claim it was a joke when they get a negative response. That has nothing to do with money. It comes from a sense of superiority.
 

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The cape for Communism and Socialism on this site is :huhldup:


To think all economic systems aren't based in racism is just :pachaha::snoop:


I call it the college freshman syndrome

Nikkas take a couple of classes, read a couple of articles and think they have the whole world figured out. Like a college freshman
 
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