Caribbean Queens, now we're sharing le même rêve

[Brehvity3135]

There was and is an entire community of expats there, majority of whom are not high profile acclaimed artists. I mentioned Baker because she ties to an earlier discussion , but the majority of the expats were not famous people living lives detached from the regular person. That seems like you are deflecting.

I have relatives who have lived in France for decades now. Raised their children there.They speak to me about the racism in the social structure of France, and what previous waves of Black French citizens who migrated there encountered and fought to change.
(We are Haitian, btw)
They're in communities with Black people from former French colonies, as well as other places and know full well about current French political/economic influence and meddling in those places.
We have discussions about the current conditions in America and France every few months and via email.

Relative to a person living in France 24/7 I know nothing, but in the context of this discussion, I'm familiar with the flaws and inequities of modern France.

Think you are taking the comments here as though we are naive and waving the French flag for an infomercial . That isn't what is being said.

You’re Haitian. A former French colony. So you’re ppl aren’t expats. I’m talking about the community of American expats in a country like Josephine Bsker or Baldwin etc. It’s normal to exalt the experience because Black Americans don’t have that history with the French. It’s no different than what we say about black immigrants in the United States. Again their experiences and histories aren’t with white Americans. There’s an unspoken buffer there whether admitted or not.

 

[BobbyWojak]

My take on progessiveness

My 'take' on fascism, not that bad actually


Damn, shyt is easy when you can just think up your own definitions

 

[get these nets]

You’re Haitian. A former French colony. So you’re ppl aren’t expats. I’m talking about the community of American expats in a country like Josephine Bsker or Baldwin etc. It’s normal to exalt the experience because Black Americans don’t have that history with the French. It’s no different than what we say about black immigrants in the United States. Again their experiences and histories aren’t with white Americans. There’s an unspoken buffer there whether admitted or not.

You are dismissing/avoiding points and arguing just to be arguing at this point.

 

[get these nets]

My 'take' on fascism, not that bad actually


Damn, shyt is easy when you can just think up your own definitions

You left out the rest of the sentence to sew and stitch your point together.

Try it the other way.

 

[BobbyWojak]

You’re Haitian. A former French colony. So you’re ppl aren’t expats. I’m talking about the community of American expats in a country like Josephine Bsker or Baldwin etc. It’s normal to exalt the experience because Black Americans don’t have that history with the French. It’s no different than what we say about black immigrants in the United States. Again their experiences and histories aren’t with white Americans. There’s an unspoken buffer there whether admitted or not.

Exactly.

Cosigned by a Haitian.

 

[Brehvity3135]

You are dismissing/avoiding points and arguing just to be arguing at this point.

I stand corrected. There’s privilege there admitted or not. Expats, Americans (first) before black are going to have a sanitized experience. That’s the first thing as a black American in another land that we notice. We suddenly become American for the first time.

So utilizing the experiences of expats in a society to exalt their progressiveness is disrespectful to say the least. I recognize that privilege. You obviously didn’t like the example I gave about black immigrants in America. You can argue with yourself in the mirror about that but it’s true and there’s nothing inherently wrong with that unless you just outright deny it

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Both are pretty.

 

[get these nets]

I stand corrected. There’s privilege there admitted or not. Expats, Americans (first) before black aren’t going to have a sanitized experience. That’s the first thing as a black American in another land that we notice. We suddenly become American for the first time.

So utilizing the experiences of expats in a society to exalt their progressiveness is disrespectful to say the least. I recognize that privilege. You obviously didn’t like the example I gave about black immigrants in America. You can argue with yourself in the mirror about that but it’s true and there’s nothing inherently wrong with that unless you just outright deny it

You are committed to your earlier point and Trying to shoehorn that take into the discussion whether it fits or not.
Here is where and why it doesn't fit.
Unlike the United States and countries in the Western hemisphere where slavery occurred, there were relatively few Africans/descent in European countries.
Africans have been in modern USA since the 1500s and been a sizable visible population in certain regions during and after slavery.
Starting after WW2, the Africans from her former and current colonies began arriving in Europe en masse. Recruited to help rebuild the country. French society was adjusting to Black French citizens migrating there at roughly the same time that AA expat artists were moving there.
This direct parallel you want to make between treatment of AAs in France and of Black immigrants in America doesn't line up or add up.

Trying to shoehorn it in doesn't make it so. Can't argue with a timeline.

 

[kronix]

Can't believe people are caping for France of all countries.

 

[mbewane]

There's a musical chairs scenario at play with the story. These women are past contenders in the two contests for Miss France.
One was runner up at the most recent one.,The winner stepped away, so that the runner up could compete.
Seems like an effort by France to promote/project itself a certain way internationally. You made a similar comment about the Baker honor last year.

Ah yes I see what you mean. Out of curiosity I went and checked the wiki page and from what I gather it's not that uncommon that the runner-up to Miss France is the one competing in Miss Universe. And since 2000 there's been like 4 or 5 black women representing France at the Miss Univers pageant, so I wouldn't read too much into it myself tbh.

Shoutout Flora Coquerel though

 

[mbewane]

Can't believe people are caping for France of all countries.

As a breh living in France I'm at some of these posts

 

[MajesticLion]

Francophone Caribbean women

 

[invalid]

Martinique please.

 

[Yehuda]

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