Caribbean Queens, now we're sharing le même rêve

[Brehvity3135]

This man really said Francophone culture and customs are ahead then conveniently dismissed anglophone countries of United States, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. There is nothing ahead in the context of Francophone culture, customs and histories.

Their reign of terror is only compounded by the fact the rest of Europe consensually agree that France deserves destruction lol

 

[FrontoBama]

This man really said Francophone culture and customs are ahead then conveniently dismissed anglophone countries of United States, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. There is nothing ahead in the context of Francophone culture, customs and histories.

Their reign of terror is only compounded by the fact the rest of Europe consensually agree that France deserves destruction lol

Those aren’t colonial nations, keep up.

both Martinique and Guadeloupe are french overseas regions, Jamaica is an independent nation.


please tell me you're a Frenchman and not one of them francophone c00ns in France thinking they are French

The French got kicked out of Mali cause they were tired of the exploitation and disrespect, They made great profits off of that land, what expense?
In what francophone countries are black people doing better than the rest? Mali, Congo, Haiti, Cote D'Ivoire? which one? How are they doing compared to Nigeria, Ghana, South Africa, Kenya etc.

Whataboutisms aside, I yield my brother.
apologies OP.

 

[69 others]

This man really said Francophone culture and customs are ahead then conveniently dismissed anglophone countries of United States, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. There is nothing ahead in the context of Francophone culture, customs and histories.

Their reign of terror is only compounded by the fact the rest of Europe consensually agree that France deserves destruction lol

these dudes bugging. It's the only nation that's boldly upholding colonialism to the point where other European leaders keep calling them out for it. This move is to show that Martinique and Gualaloupe belong to them

 

[get these nets]

not doubting that. But these are french colonies. Don't see the need to celebrate a colonizer telling its subjects you can finally send some of your women to represent us in a pageant, most people from those nations might rather independent.

I hear your overall point, but neither of these women would be the first Black Miss France. Or the first woman from an overseas French territory to represent the country internationally.

It's a beauty pageant, and a separate topic from independence /separation movements of colonies. This isn't going to "appease" anybody who is working to that end.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Those aren’t colonial nations, keep up.

Whataboutisms aside, I yield my brother.
apologies OP.

How is the United States not a colonial power?

I’ll cede the others as dominions of the British empire (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) etc but that should highlight while shytty circumstances the relative success of their empire.

France has literally done nothing to aid or assist their former colonies. Hence why none are at the level of British former colonies of Canada, Australia , New Zealand.

 

[get these nets]

This man really said Francophone culture and customs are ahead then conveniently dismissed anglophone countries of United States, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. There is nothing ahead in the context of Francophone culture, customs and histories.

Their reign of terror is only compounded by the fact the rest of Europe consensually agree that France deserves destruction lol

Reread his comment. He was pointing out the contrast between the two things. How France is both comparatively progressive in ways AND an imperialist overlord in ways.

How are y'all missing that?

 

[FrontoBama]

How is the United States not a colonial power?

I’ll cede the others as dominions of the British empire (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) etc but that should highlight while shytty circumstances the relative success of their empire.

France has literally done nothing to aid or assist their former colonies. Hence why none are at the level of British former colonies of Canada, Australia , New Zealand.

Cuz we never held a colony so we can’t be a colonial power,
We practice hegemonic influence over vast areas.

Reread his comment. He was pointing out the contrast between the two things. How France is both comparatively progress in ways AND an imperialist overlord in ways.

How are y'all missing that?

Its just bahumbug argumentative Coli shyt that’s why I stopped.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Reread his comment. He was pointing out the contrast between the two things. How France is both comparatively progress in ways AND an imperialist overlord in ways.

How are y'all missing that?

There is nothing progressive about France. It’s a strategic play of soft power. They‘ve been doing this since the mid 18th century because of their waning military might. They’re great at this too. Diplomacy and culture, the official language of the United Nations, but make no mistake it’s never genuine.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Cuz we never held a colony so we can’t be a colonial power,
We practice hegemonic influence over vast areas.

Its just bahumbug argumentative Coli shyt that’s why I stopped.

It’s not argumentative. What you said was dumb and dangerous and no Francophone person would espouse your beliefs. Lol and your point like many weirdo leftist American fools was supported by Josephine baker who was a goddamn spy and James Baldwin fleeing the US to hang out in Paris. You’ve lost your mind.

Hell there are plenty and current in Latin America who wished the British stayed. And there’s good reason for that as evidenced by their former dominions.

Also the United States is still very much a colonial power. I’m not going to argue someone playing semantics over an easily googable fact

 

[get these nets]

There is nothing progressive about France. It’s a strategic play of soft power. They‘ve been doing this since the mid 18th century because of their waning military might. They’re great at this too. Diplomacy and culture, the official language of the United Nations, but make no mistake it’s never genuine.

My take on progessiveness, is that it provides leeway or space for others. Often after those others have fought for that room.
The intent behind it takes a back seat to how Black people can benefit from it. This story for example. Wish both women well, hope they win, and have lucrative post pageant careers in fashion and media and open up doors for other Black women.
Same reason I rooted for the Black Miss Americas.

Again, African American expat writers and creatives have written about the relative progessiveness and freedom they experienced in France relative to their country of birth/heritage.

 

[Arithmetic]

Black women running laps around all women on earth

 

[Brehvity3135]

Again, African American expat writers and creatives have written about the relative progessiveness and freedom they experienced in France relative to their country of birth/heritage.

Artists are often delusional. Most you speak of especially Josephine who again was running double spy operations can’t be taken serious. Who really knows what her purpose was at the end of the day.

Baldwin? Delusional and gay. It’s easy to enjoy those freedoms and detach yourself from the realities of the oppression because those aren’t your oppressors.

In all those cases we are talking about tourists living in exile, who live in a completely different world than the local population.

 

[Lootha VanDraws]

My heart can beat as one with Ms. Martinique

 

[get these nets]

Artists are often delusional. Most you speak of especially Josephine who again was running double spy operations can’t be taken serious. Who really knows what her purpose was at the end of the day.

Baldwin? Delusional and gay. It’s easy to enjoy those freedoms and detach yourself from the realities of the oppression because those aren’t your oppressors.

In all those cases we are talking about tourists living in exile, who live in a completely different world than the local population.

There was and is an entire community of expats there, majority of whom are not high profile acclaimed artists. I mentioned Baker because she ties to an earlier discussion , but the majority of the expats were not famous people living lives detached from the regular person. That seems like you are deflecting.

I have relatives who have lived in France for decades now. Raised their children there.They speak to me about the racism in the social structure of France, and what previous waves of Black French citizens who migrated there encountered and fought to change.
(We are Haitian, btw)
They're in communities with Black people from former French colonies, as well as other places and know full well about current French political/economic influence and meddling in those places.
We have discussions about the current conditions in America and France every few months and via email.

Relative to a person living in France 24/7 I know nothing, but in the context of this discussion, I'm familiar with the flaws and inequities of modern France.

Think you are taking the comments here as though we are naive and waving the French flag for an infomercial . That isn't what is being said.

 

[Yehuda]

Thread took a weird turn, not about to play "which colonizer is better" especially when the point is simply to accumulate capital by extracting resources

Anyway they've had some fine Miss France titleholders: