CDC and FDA recommend US pause use of Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 vaccine over blood clot concerns
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CDC says 5,800 fully vaccinated people caught Covid-19 anyway - CNN
In that particular instance, putting out conflicting information did indicate a lack of honesty and transparency. Especially considering that a few weeks later, they released info in fact stating that there is a possibility that you can be reinfected with COVID-19 and end up being hospitalized and even died. The numbers aren't that high, but they go against the comments that the CDC director originally made. They only backtracked anyways when other doctors and scientist forced their hand into doing so.
People are already scared to take the vaccine anyways and the conflicting information and lack of transparency doesn't help make things better. You see that in the public confidence stats that @Absolut posted
The messaging is beyond absurd. They do all they can to try and discredit the success of these vaccines
If we're keeping it 100%, the majority of people out here weren't going to get the vaccine anyways and situations like this were going to give them even more of a reason to not do so. If people really wanted the vaccine, then they would have already done so right now as the supply is higher than demand.
But as I said before, you can't force somebody to get the vaccine if they don't want to. Forcing them to do it is only going to make them stick to their guns more.
Here in my area they built the Pipkin Building in Memphis to help with mass vaccinations. Now a week later, they've pivoted towards walk-in appointments as they can't get the appointment slots filled. Similar in Mississippi where it was 73,000 open appointments last week.
You’d get more crossover from the “not getting it” crowd if it was framed as a way to beat this thing, which it is. Instead they frame the 1/11000 risk of a mild case as still being “at risk” post vaccine with the same restrictions of distancing and masks in place. Or the “risk” of a literal one in a million blood clot when someone’s daily supplements or medications they take have far, far more risk of adverse reactions. So people shy away. They say “Why do I get this thing if I’m at risk afterwards, from both the vaccines and covid still” absolutely idiotic messaging.
It's idiotic and inconsistent messaging, but even then you weren't going to get 300+ million people to take the vaccine. It was an unrealistic expectation from the start.
If they really want people to get the vaccine, then they should have offered an incentive from the start to do so.
Did you read the article?
4 blood clots in a million for Moderna and Pfizer.
39 blood clots in a million for COVID.
That’s not how I remember it at all.
All along the message was that we don’t know if this prevents infection and transmission. Then the real world data came out showing it did a great, but not 100%, job of preventing those things. Then the director made her comments and they were immediately walked back. Where is the dishonesty? What weren’t they being transparent about?
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Did the countries that banned AstraZenca for bloodclots read the article?
It doesn't matter how you remember it. The Director of the CDC made those comments that turned out to not be true at all. Those are her words that she had to walk back because of public criticism that they received for those comments.
That's being dishonest and lying regardless of how you spin it. A lie is as lie regardless of whether you walk back your comments or change them. She said comments that turned out to be a lie. Call it for what it is.
I guess that’s one way of looking at it. To me, the director made comments contradicting what had been said all along and was immediately smacked down. Certainly it’s transparent.
It was published today, so unless they’ve figured out time travel, I would imagine not.Did the countries that banned AstraZenca for bloodclots read the article?
From the article in her own words:
“Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real-world data.”
Walensky was referring to a new CDC study that suggests those fully inoculated with the vaccines produced by Moderna and Pfizer don’t transmit the virus. Researchers looked at how the shots protected nearly 4,000 health-care workers, first responders, and other essential workers toiling in eight U.S. locations against the virus and more-contagious variants. Following a single dose of either vaccine, the participants’ risk of infection was reduced by 80 percent, and that figure jumped to 90 percent after the second dose. Without infection, people are unable to spread the virus. The results are similar to what scientists saw in clinical trials for the vaccines, which found that two doses of either two-dose vaccine had an efficacy rate of around 95 percent.
Also from the CDC themselves who rebutted her claims:
Even the Centers for Disease Control hedged on Walensky’s claims. “Dr. Walensky spoke broadly during this interview,” a CDC spokesperson told the Times. “It’s possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get Covid-19. The evidence isn’t clear whether they can spread the virus to others. We are continuing to evaluate the evidence.”
CDC says 5,800 fully vaccinated people caught Covid-19 anyway - CNN
We now know from the CDC themselves that her original statements were a lie regardless of how you try and spin it.
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OhIt was published today, so unless they’ve figured out time travel, I would imagine not.
