Celtics 6th in Iso possessions this year, 28th last year

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Be gone then, clown. After yet another train ran on you in here it's clear that you make the board far worse with your insuffererable nonsense and you seem miserable most of the time that most posters have no patience for your tired bullshyt. Im sure there are plenty of Warrior Homer message boards that will jive better with your condition.
This. And the fact that @Gil Scott-Heroin is debunking OP's myth with facts is hilarious. I had to stop dapping that crazy niqqa because so much truth was being dropped by him.:pachaha:
@Gil Scott-Heroin with straight facts no fiction:wow:
Plus folks have cosigned my shyt all throughout this thread, even more than the OP's. Save your fiction and delusions for your own posting.

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He's always been difficult to converse with and his takes are increasingly asinine of late.
Meanwhile, this is what other posters have just said about your "takes":
We need context here you soft baked faggit.. curry saying he’s back meant his shot is back but he clearly wasn’t getting his normal separation like he always does.. since when a nikka like Kevin Love locking anyone up?

Then comes the next finals and curry dancing on Bron and love with no problems

I swear you bout a bytch ass nikka if I ever saw one.
Bro are you okay? What's with this weird shyt that you do in every GS-related thread?
You do the shyt every thread. It comes across as weird as fukk. We get it, you stated what KD did. Now can you get over harping on about it in every GS-related thread?

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Stones. Glass houses. And all that.
 

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Plus folks have cosigned my shyt all throughout this thread, even more than the OP's. Save your fiction and delusions for your own posting.

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A random joke I made clowning your predictable spin routine got like a hundred daps :mjlol: For the sake of everyone and yourself, stop posting (about basketball).
 
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He did out of necessity but in 33 minutes a game he averaged 2.7 assists. That's not his role. JR with more time with the ball is pulling up for a low percentage jumper or driving the hole with little to no intent to dish. His success in Cleveland and Cleveland's success with him is from asking him to do less.
It's not all about looking at how many assists are player has. It's about making plays through ball movement. Why does simple shyt like this even need to be explained? He only touches the ball for 1.3 minutes per game, so for someone that supposedly can't handle the ball at all, 2.7 assists says otherwise. Smart only averages two more assists despite handling the ball nearly three times the amount of time that JR does (time of possession - 3.8 minutes per game).

Go figure.
 
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A random joke I made clowning your predictable spin routine got like a hundred daps :mjlol: For the sake of everyone and yourself, stop posting (about basketball).
Compare a "random joke" to you claiming a "train" had been run on me in here when folks were cosigning and acknowledging my stance as true, brehs.
 

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Two plays? Two plays? Two plays?

Does the obvious really need to be stated for you that they were simply examples and that I didn't need to post every single clip I could find of his assists/passing? He's had a number of plays like that this season. The point is he's capable of making plays like that, despite you believing otherwise. Did you not watch him when he was handling the ball when he won 6MOY in NY? Did you not see Love being one of the main ball-handlers/shot creators when he was in Minny? Do you not know that Love is one of the more talented passing big men in the league?
Yes 2 plays. Showing me 2 plays does not bring evidence that you want him being a full-time ball-handler. Like I said to someone else, in 33 minutes a game in his 6MOY season he averaged 2.7 assists...for someone who's a "capable" ball-handler and "ran PG" that does not help your argument.
What did Minnesota achieve with Love being a prolific shot creator? What seed in the playoffs did they achieve? Being a talented passing big is fine, this doesn't mean he HAS to be a point center. This season in particular has been Love's best in Cleveland because he's been #2 instead of #3.


I've come with facts, historical trends and evidence and all you've thrown back is conjecture, half-truths, and nescience.

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Except he's expanded his game, I've already told you he's become more effective on defense, without the ball and playmaking, but he hasn't become a "complete player"; very few players in NBA history become "complete players" at his age. Again, it sounds like you aren't watching enough Celtics games, that you seem to think he's the same ole player, and hasn't expanded his game.
Kyrie started the year better on defense but began trending downwards as he got going offensively. A center averages more APG than him and the guard you say is a horrible ball-handler is not far behind him. More spot-up jumpers =/= more complete player.


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Jaylen can create his shot better than Love now? Y'all LeBron stans are shameless.
You want Love dribbling around the perimeter and taking smaller, quicker PFs in a smallball league to the hole now? Love is best at creating his own shots when he's in the post. An ISO in the post is a lot different than an ISO 20 feet out.

Why can't you explain why the Celtics offense falls off a cliff when Kyrie isn't on the court if they have all these "shot creators/ball-handlers" that a team like Cleveland didn't have, despite Cleveland having a far greater ORTG when LeBron isn't on the floor? Why can't you explain why they're near top in the league in areas on offense which Kyrie is involved in (ISO, P&R ball-handler, spot-up etc), yet near the bottom in areas he isn't as involved in? Why do the Cavs have a far superior ORTG if they don't have these "shot creators/ball-handlers"?
Maybe the Cavs have a good ORTG without LeBron because when he isn't on the floor Wade is running PG? The same Wade you wanted on the bench behind more cold-than-he-is-hot JR? You got wanted you wanted and he proved to be quite valuable as a 6th Man, did he not? Wade is a better creator than anyone on Boston but he was used more when Bron was off the court than on.

Cavs fans have wanted more ball movement for a long time now, even before IT and Rose were on the team. Ball movement means just that, moving the ball, that means everyone touches the ball - that means JR gets to touch the ball more, Love gets to touch the ball more, everyone in the lineup gets to touch the ball more. Everyone's contributions leads to running the offense.
If Love needed to touch the ball more you're basically saying he should've been the #1 option.

You just insinuated Brown can create his shot better than Love can - I think it's safe to say you're the one who's actually failing to value their skills properly.

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AS BALL-HANDLERS
Wade > Smart
Rozier > JR
Tatum & Brown > Whatever wing combo you'll think of, basically Crowder, one dribble Korver, and/or Green
Horford = Love > Frye let alone TT
The last couple of games in Cleveland have featured more ball movement and less LeBron ISO. So, obviously there's more faith in this new group handling the ball more than the previous one. Rightfully so.
 
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It's not all about looking at how many assists are player has. It's about making plays through ball movement. Why does simple shyt like this even need to be explained? He only touches the ball for 1.3 minutes per game, so for someone that supposedly can't handle the ball at all, 2.7 assists says otherwise. Smart only averages two more assists despite handling the ball nearly three times the amount of time that JR does (time of possession - 3.8 minutes per game).

Go figure.
No it is not all about assists but for someone who ran point guard and supposedly initiated offense it's not enough. JR is a shooter, a low percentage one but a shooter nonetheless. New York was dead last in APG that season so I would think they'd want a guy so capable of handling to be more involved in that aspect than 1.3 minutes a game. That's saying something about him.
 

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After the Kyrie trade dude was saying " Kyrie is in a less iso heavy system now, Bron was the only reason kyrie iso'd so much due to the team being built around him :stopitslime:"


When the Cs were on the 16 game streak (again with NO Hayward) dude was like "see what Kyrie can do in a equal opportunity offense (even though Kyrie was STILL iso heavy :russ:)"



When shown receipts of kyrie STILL being iso heavy WITHOUT LeBron
All i see are juelz gif explanations and deflection about JR smith being a playmaker and various attempts to sidetrack the arguments

Dunno why you dudes fall for his shyt so much, like nikka just admit you're wrong, :gucci:
 
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After the Kyrie trade dude was saying " Kyrie is in a less iso heavy system now, Bron was the only reason kyrie iso'd so much due to the team being built around him :stopitslime:"
You do realize Kyrie is taking 30% fewer ISOs this season, despite having even MORE offensive responsibility, right? He'd probably be taking 40-50% fewer ISOs if Hayward didn't get injured. You do realize that the Celtics probably need him to ISO more, due to their inability to score on the regular, because they aren't that talented/experienced on that end, right?
 
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