Certain rappers would benefit from being in a REAL group

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Aside from the money issue, a lot of rappers need to realize being a solo artist isn't for them, some dudes have just enough talent or are only bearable for one verse per song or maybe a good solo cut or two on an album, and dudes are already being carried by collabs anyway so just cut the bull and start going back to groups. Big Sean, French Montana, Joey badass, sometimes even j cole, chance the rapper, and some of y'all coli artists would really benefit from being part of a formal group. Dudes could save themselves from so many struggle bars as well as wearing out their listeners with annoyong voices, and sub-par deliveries, rhymes and flows if they'd put the ego aside...I honestly think some rappers would be more popular this way

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Now how the fukk would J. Cole benefit from being in a group? A dukewho has 2 albums both well received selling what 700k + 2 certified classic mixtapes and a collection of dope ass EP's.
All produced by him (with a few exceptions) with approximately 1.25 rapping feature per project, Drake, Omen, Wale, K dot and Jay-z on 4 projects (nearly 80 songs). He only got outshined by Jay and that was on a bad track. (Obviously not counting Looking for trouble in which he destroyed Kanye, Pusha and Sean).

The only problem with this type of statement is that, a great group has to do with chemistry and shyt like that.
We all know great rappers coming together does not equal a dope group. Even Jay, Big, Nas and Pac in their prime probably wouldn't have been a better group than N.W.A..
 
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how many hip-hop groups are doing well now.
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it's more a money thing than groups can't make it - it costs more to promote and support a group on the company side....therefore a smaller amount of money has to be split more ways on the group side...it has nothing to do with there not being a market for it or them not doing well...this happened across all genres. Aside from one direction, name a pop group that's killing it, name a r&b group killing it, rock - due to being grounded in instrumentation - is like the only genre where groups still exists en masse

Harry B said:
Now how the fukk would J. Cole benefit from being in a group? A dukewho has 2 albums both well received selling what 700k + 2 certified classic mixtapes and a collection of dope ass EP's.
All produced by him (with a few exceptions) with approximately 1.25 rapping feature per project, Drake, Omen, Wale, K dot and Jay-z on 4 projects (nearly 80 songs). He only got outshined by Jay and that was on a bad track. (Obviously not counting Looking for trouble in which he destroyed Kanye, Pusha and Sean).

The only problem with this type of statement is that, a great group has to do with chemistry and shyt like that.
We all know great rappers coming together does not equal a dope group. Even Jay, Big, Nas and Pac in their prime probably wouldn't have been a better group than N.W.A..
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J cole is dope no doubt, and he's not number one on my list when making this thread, but I also could see how he could possibly be even more dope in a group, but this ain't really about him

And no one is saying pull together random rappers or great rappers, I'm saying somewhere along the way when these cats were developing, I'm sure they met cats they vibe with, and instead of going with that, they all want to be stars on their own. Or, they lack self awareness, dudes don't even entertain that they're not that great on their own, back in the day, you always heard stories from group members on how so and so introduced them to their cousin and they cliqued up or how they were battling each other in high school and decided to team up or how they came up rapping together and *gasp* stayed together (tho record labels have and hand in breaking up groups of all genres so that's not solely on them)...I don't think these young cats even think like that, dudes don't take into account how having a partner or two could help them.
 
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dora_da_destroyer said:
it's more a money thing than groups can't make it - it costs more to promote and support a group on the company side....therefore a smaller amount of money has to be split more ways on the group side...it has nothing to do with there not being a market for it or them not doing well...this happened across all genres. Aside from one direction, name a pop group that's killing it, name a r&b group killing it, rock - due to being grounded in instrumentation - is like the only genre where groups still exists en masse

J cole is dope no doubt, and he's not number one on my list when making this thread, but I also could see how he could possibly be even more dope in a group, but this ain't really about him

And no one is saying pull together random rappers or great rappers, I'm saying somewhere along the way when these cats were developing, I'm sure they met cats they vibe with, and instead of going with that, they all want to be stars on their own. Or, they lack self awareness, dudes don't even entertain that they're not that great on their own, back in the day, you always heard stories from group members on how so and so introduced them to their cousin and they cliqued up or how they were battling each other in high school and decided to team up or how they came up rapping together and *gasp* stayed together (tho record labels have and hand in breaking up groups of all genres so that's not solely on them)...I don't think these young cats even think like that, dudes don't take into account how having a partner or two could help them.
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Even though they're fine as soloists and I've said this a million times before....an ASAP and Schoolboy Q album would be :lawd: Like a real album not a "live in concert" type deal.
 
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Even though they're fine as soloists and I've said this a million times before....an ASAP and Schoolboy Q album would be :lawd: Like a real album not a "live in concert" type deal.
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while the point of this thread wasn't me trying to team up established guys....versus simply making the point that someone like big sean, etc. shoulda really been part of a group and not a solo artist...i agree that schoolboy, asap, danny brown, ab, and mac miller all have great chemistry with one another (esp q and asap) and would make a classic posse album
 
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:rudy: Imma need some evidence for this one
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as in? i know a lot of dudes like him...and it may be that he's not my cup of tea...but dude would be much better as a complimentary piece of a duo or trio, his different sound would compliment a pure spitter. his uniqueness is not enjoyable for a full album's worth of material in the same way cudi is
 
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