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Its not the Rockefeller you think it was stupid nikka.
What Rockefeller was it then? Because I been hearing fables about how he was referring to some big drug dealer that NOBODY can find ANYTHING about. All the big hustlers have been all over the net, tv documentaries, and books. There is nothing on this so-called Rockefeller drug dealer who died of AIDS.

Lets just agree that Nas fukked up on this one. Doesn't take away from the fact that he's one of the greatest to ever touch a mic.
 

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it was a sellout move because it had no regard for who he actually was.
it was a revenue grab.
which was along the same lines as him making songs with puff.
no cultural responsibility, at all.
when, he is from the guard of guys.
who, if they offered no resistance.
we would never have gotten any cultural based music.
or a cultural attention to detail when rap and the culture were marketed worldwide by leo burnett.

if not for the nas that protected the culture that brought us nas.

we would have had twenty years of l'trimm the cars that go boom and addams family values based soundtrack records of wackness.
instead of twenty years of some attention culturally in the business of rap.

which is why nas selling out eventually lead to the degradation we have now.
as he is the annakins skywalker/death vader of rap.
that made it so, the argument could no longer be raised.
as to cultural responsibility and its importance to the longevity of the pillar of rap as a profitable culturally commendable product.
if, nas never sells out.
rap's protection mechanism are still intact and we still have quality rap music being made,
instead of uncle luke meets l'trimm based rap we have now.

all these nikkaz making the car goes boom with offkey non-convincability based skills.

none of that shyt would be a draw.
if not for nas selling out and making it worse.
all puff had to do after that.
was coup the culture's protectors like nas and krs.
then, we are where we are now....


art barr

I think part of the decision was economic but part of it was about remaining in a prominent position, on a major, and in that regard the choices are obviously limited. I think within Nas' music he's shown some love for the culture though, more than a lot of people. I think from reading what you said your taking prior to the Def Jam shyt. If so I was speaking specifically about that. As KRS said "squash all beefs" lol. I don't think that was a bad mood. It showed some of the youths there's a different way, instead of just always riding till the end. I agree a lot of people in positions were guilty of allowing certain shyt to happen which enabled the quality of the music/mainstream to decrease, but wouldn't you say Jay is more culpable to that than Nas with the type of records he's made? Cause I feel Jay has trendhopped a lot more than Nas.
 

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it was a sellout move because it had no regard for who he actually was.
it was a revenue grab.
which was along the same lines as him making songs with puff.
no cultural responsibility, at all.
when, he is from the guard of guys.
who, if they offered no resistance.
we would never have gotten any cultural based music.
or a cultural attention to detail when rap and the culture were marketed worldwide by leo burnett.

if not for the nas that protected the culture that brought us nas.

we would have had twenty years of l'trimm the cars that go boom and addams family values based soundtrack records of wackness.
instead of twenty years of some attention culturally in the business of rap.

which is why nas selling out eventually lead to the degradation we have now.
as he is the annakins skywalker/death vader of rap.
that made it so, the argument could no longer be raised.
as to cultural responsibility and its importance to the longevity of the pillar of rap as a profitable culturally commendable product.
if, nas never sells out.
rap's protection mechanism are still intact and we still have quality rap music being made,
instead of uncle luke meets l'trimm based rap we have now.

all these nikkaz making the car goes boom with offkey non-convincability based skills.

none of that shyt would be a draw.
if not for nas selling out and making it worse.
all puff had to do after that.
was coup the culture's protectors like nas and krs.
then, we are where we are now....


art barr
Breh you top 5 poster dead or alive but I can't agree with this.You blame Nas for all that?:dwillhuh:

:pachaha:@ the Annakin Skywalker of rap.

:skip:@ And all these nikkaz making the car goes boom with offkey non-convincability based skills.

Art Barr the gawd:blessed:
 
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What Rockefeller was it then? Because I been hearing fables about how he was referring to some big drug dealer that NOBODY can find ANYTHING about. All the big hustlers have been all over the net, tv documentaries, and books. There is nothing on this so-called Rockefeller drug dealer who died of AIDS.

Lets just agree that Nas fukked up on this one. Doesn't take away from the fact that he's one of the greatest to ever touch a mic.


Are you looking for his twitter or something? or a wikipedia?

The ones you hear of are either super legendary like Lucas or have ties to the industry.

Hes a hood nikka that lived and died in the hood who are you to begin to say he never existed
 

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I also think there was at least some thought to the message it would send. Even if that possibly wasn't the overriding factor.
 

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I know Jay was the president, that doesn't mean he owns the label, you seriously don't understand this? Do you know how contracts work? Cause I do.. he wasn't signed to Jay, this is factual.

he lost respect by doing that/signing the contract, u just don't see it since ur preoccupied with hating, he lost integrity, he won as far as making music goes, nas signed to def jam, jiggaman was president at time, nas practically worked under him, so hov won in the long run

I know :umad: cuz it's da




:ahh:
 

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he lost respect by doing that/signing the contract, u just don't see it since ur preoccupied with hating, he lost integrity, he won as far as making music goes, nas signed to def jam, jiggaman was president at time, nas practically worked under him, so hov won in the long run

I know :umad: cuz it's da




:ahh:


He didn't really though with 95 percent of people. I'm preoccupied with hating when your criticising an artist for squashing a situation? Lol. That's ridiculous, Jay left and Nas was still signed to Def Jam, that shows who he was signed to.
 

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To me, Takeover is the better diss. Hov went off on Prodigy and Nas. The rhymes were too clever and funny. Every punchline had a humorous ad-lib that relate to each bars. Ether is funny too but it isn't put together like Takeover.
 

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Breh you top 5 poster dead or alive but I can't agree with this.You blame Nas for all that?:dwillhuh:

:pachaha:@ the Annakin Skywalker of rap.

:skip:@ And all these nikkaz making the car goes boom with offkey non-convincability based skills.

Art Barr the gawd:blessed:


nas is the direct protege of the actual guys who protected the culture.
from mc serch, slapping a foam hammer and giving people that knowledge on the newport and puma sweat deal.
to main source defending the culture with faking the funk.
it is also, why nas's entire original guard of fans in bulk let to supporting him on iww.
as the iww fan was a new mtv gateway fan who had no idea about nas, the culture or even illmatic.

when, nas sells out considering his pedigree.
it makes it for any artist in ny, with no cultural connection/responsibility.
to not give one, at all.
which trickeld down and coupled with puff's emotion based yousa hater mantra.
seeking to take advantage using the sentimentalism of bigg's death.

it completed the full destruction of the protection mechanism.
that allowed rap to draw after the draws of breaking and graf were completely damaged in the gateway/pop realm.
when, hiphop is pre-emptive and not supposed to fall under the same ill affects from disco/rnb/pop/house.
hiphop is not rnb/disco/house, and has a culture.
when, nas sold out,..it ruined the importance of the culture and its protection mechanisms at the gate.
so, now...rap is flooded with no cultural connection whatsoever to police itself.

that is why rap and all of music has no profit margin.
as rap would and is the destruction of the recording industry.
that chuck d predicted it would be from tampering with the culture of hiphop just to sell rap music.



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Are you looking for his twitter or something? or a wikipedia?

The ones you hear of are either super legendary like Lucas or have ties to the industry.

Hes a hood nikka that lived and died in the hood who are you to begin to say he never existed
Who are you to say he did? And isn't it very likely that they named their label after the ROCKEFELLER family? John D. Rockefeller being the richest man EVER in the U.S.A.? Jay has a thing for money, remember?

Then lets not forget the fact the line was corny anyway. Ok so this imaginary dude had AIDS. What relevance does that have to his getting money? So a ball player naming himself after Magic would be wack because he has AIDS? For real?
 

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I think part of the decision was economic but part of it was about remaining in a prominent position, on a major, and in that regard the choices are obviously limited. I think within Nas' music he's shown some love for the culture though, more than a lot of people. I think from reading what you said your taking prior to the Def Jam shyt. If so I was speaking specifically about that. As KRS said "squash all beefs" lol. I don't think that was a bad mood. It showed some of the youths there's a different way, instead of just always riding till the end. I agree a lot of people in positions were guilty of allowing certain shyt to happen which enabled the quality of the music/mainstream to decrease, but wouldn't you say Jay is more culpable to that than Nas with the type of records he's made? Cause I feel Jay has trendhopped a lot more than Nas.


jay is a sellout from the very beginning with a biting jaz, trying to be the fresh prince.
he never resonated before.
which is also,..why jay was around puff/big.
as puff, big existed as draws because they were connected to mca.
since, mca's beginning were linked to defjam.
they were the only type of label who was bullet proof against selling out.
which allowed rap to become a daytime radio drawing medium with heavy d, and the pedigree of andre harrell. who came from and used the integrity of his past affiliation of defjam.
to be bulletproof against any cultural violations.


originally,,....when, jay wanted a deal.
the cultural protection mechanism, kept that from occurring.
which is also a component as to why.
labels would not sign him because he was not a culturally credible artist, and was from the mecca.
back then, this put jayz and jaz in proper light.
disallowing them the ability to replicate.
then, effectively bite the fresh prince's draw, the way it was supposed to do as planned.

it was not until nas sold out, that jay was able to create a small foothold to draw.
before that, regardless of his skill level.
his former attempts to draw were held in check by the culture's protection mechanism.

the reason why nas sonned't jay calling him his son, is jay is nas's son.

as jay would have never drawn in rap, with his direction or content.
if nas, never sells out and opens the argument and creates a fake pass system.
which, allows sellout culture thieves an opportunity to draw.


nas is solely responsible for why we have wack rappers who draw.
plus no real diversity in the popular culture for black artist in rap.
as he turned his back on the protectors and the culture.
which created the ability for rap to stay a culture based and culturally protected business in whole.
before, a few exceptions with payola could permeate as expected.
yet, when nas sold out,...
it created the pass for anyone who was skilled or wack to draw.
as the person who is the protege to the protectors of the culture from hammer/wack emcee's etc.
is now, using the same template wack emcees use to sellout and draw.
with none of the cultural responsibility, that the legacy of the guys who protected rap.
who made it so nas could still have a place to perform/draw.

nas selling out retroacted all the work those protectors did to protect rap.
as nas, ushered in the technical era and what would be a change in sonic landscape as well in rap.

when, he sells out,..
it makes and gives general fans and labels the ability to say.
why do people need to be or have technical aptitude in rap.
why do people need to honor the culture of hiphop.
nas, doesn't and he is the protege to the people who cared about the culture.
so, if he does NOT care,....and he is the protege.

WHY SHOULD i,....?

that same thinking being executed is exactly why we are where we are now.

also,...if nas was still culturally about that life, like when illmatic rocked.
the people who bit him in 95, would had a larger draw and traction.
yet, since the protection mechanism were intact.

guys like fatjoe, to mic geronimo had to wait or never actualized their draws.
real talk,...
reality tv for rappers would have been a revenue grab back in 96.
close to twenty yars ago,.....
when, mic geronimo pioneered the artist lead reality show.
yet, since..the culture was intact.
we had to wait till nas sold out, for the rapper based reality show to draw convincingly.
as well, as fatjoe had to wait another five years after he bit nas.
plus, big pun's impact to become a platinum drawing artist.
it did not happen back then, because the protection mechanims of the culture squelched out the draw of bullshyt.
before nas destroyed the protection mechanism selling out on iww, and later on hate me now.
which signified the beginning of the end of quality rap and the culture being a part of rap as a drawing protected medium.



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Who are you to say he did? And isn't it very likely that they named their label after the ROCKEFELLER family? John D. Rockefeller being the richest man EVER in the U.S.A.? Jay has a thing for money, remember?


Because Jaz-O referenced him in a song.

“Rocafella had the crown on the block, him and Sync gettin' bent/I was 10 lookin' at them intrigued”

Clearly thats not John D Rockefeller.


Just admit you dont know WTF yourre talking about and keep it pushing.
 

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To me, Takeover is the better diss. Hov went off on Prodigy and Nas. The rhymes were too clever and funny. Every punchline had a humorous ad-lib that relate to each bars. Ether is funny too but it isn't put together like Takeover.


actually takeover is to soft of a diss beatwise, and ether exposed that as well.
plus, jay took to long and tried to lump two heavies and duck fatjoe.
when, jay owns a label and has resources to hire and put out a twelve to clap back at the first diss foray of:

nas
p
fat joe

yet, he chose to be a bytch about, and let nas build up ink and how to diss him, as well.
plus, write with ferocity that helped re-establish his fervor as a lyricist.
he was lacking in the commercialization of his previous works.
which, shows jayz lack of aptitude battling and easily showcases why he, eventually lost.



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jay is a sellout from the very beginning with a biting jaz, trying to be the fresh prince.
he never resonated before.
when, he wanted a deal because the cultural protection mechanism.
put, jayz and jaz in proper light and disallowed them the ability to replicate and bite the fresh prince's draw the way it was supposed to do.

it was not until nas sold out, that jay was able to create a small foothold to draw.
before that, regardless of his skill level.
his former attempts to draw were held in check by the culture's protection mechanism.

the reason why nas sonned't jay calling him his son, is jay is nas's son.

as jay would have never drawn in rap, with his direction or content.
if nas, never sells out and opens the arguement and creates a fake pass system.
which, allows sellout culture thieves an oppurtunity to draw.


nas is solely responsible for why we have wack emcees who draw.
as he turned his back on the protectors and the culture.
which created the ability for rap to stay a culture based and culturally protected business in whole.
before, a few exceptions with payola could permeate as expected.
yet, when nas sold out,...
it created the pass for anyone who was skilled or wack to draw.
as the person who is the protege to the protectors of the culture from hammer/wack emcee's etc.
is now, using the same template wack emcees use to sellout and draw.
with none of the cultural responsibility, that the legacy of the guys who protected rap.
who made i so nas could still have a place to perform/draw.

nas selling out retroacted all the work those protectors did to protect rap.
as nas, ushered in the technical era and what would be a change in sonic landscape as well in rap.

when, he sells out,..
it makes general fans and labels the ability to say.
why do people need to be or have technical aptitude in rap.
why do people need to honor the culture of hiphop.
nas, doesn't and he is the protege to the people who cared about the culture.
so, if he does care,....and he is the protege.

WHY SHOULD i,....?

that same thinking being executed is exactly why we are where we are now.

art barr

I don't think Nas is solely responsible. Think it goes a lot deeper than that. Do you think Nas fell off that drastically technically though?. Personally I think Nas does care and he's done things to demonstrate he cares. I don't think he's perfect or without fault, and I do think he probably could have done more. But I still feel personally like he's doing a good job. I don't think he ever went full fledged and still kept an element of skill and artistry on every album. I know KRS-One for instance is an admirer and still even tries to mentor him somewhat. A lot of the pioneers and legends respect Nas cause they see him as that artist with that stature that kept some degree of quality and gave back in some cases and at least showed respect, at least directly.
 

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I don't think Nas is solely responsible. Think it goes a lot deeper than that. Do you think Nas fell off that drastically technically though?. Personally I think Nas does care and he's done things to demonstrate he cares. I don't think he's perfect or without fault, and I do think he probably could have done more. But I still feel personally like he's doing a good job. I don't think he ever went full fledged and still kept an element of skill and artistry on every album. I know KRS-One for instance is an admirer and still even tries to mentor him somewhat. A lot of the pioneers and legends respect Nas cause they see him as that artist with that stature that kept some degree of quality and gave back in some cases and at least showed respect, at least directly.


nas, just does shyt to save face.
like puff did when vh1 came calling to try to say he cared about the culture in 2001.
same with nas and his phoney marketing runs like hiphop is dead.
when, hiphop is dead solely because of nas.

nas, is the person who killed't it.

that is why he got that song and officer wiggums impersonation face ass song.
also, a lot of these nikkaz are ho ass nikkaz culturally.
so, they won't buck up against nas.
when, they should...
i won't let the shyt ride, you can believe that though....



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