Charlamagne: Ether was corny

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nas, just does shyt to save face.
like puff did when vh1 came calling to try to say he cared about the culture in 2001.
same with nas and his phoney marketing runs like hiphop is dead.
when, hiphop is dead solely because of nas.

nas, is the person who killed't it.

that is why he got that song and officer wiggums impersonation face ass song.
also, a lot of these nikkaz are ho ass nikkaz culturally.
so, they won't buck up against nas.
when, they should...
i won't let the shyt ride, you can believe that though....



art barr

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think he does it to save face. I think he does have an element of care for the culture. Again reiterate not saying he's perfect but I don't think he's the anti Christ either lol. Apparently he did that as more of a warning, even though obviously was a marketing ploy too, but I think he did help rejuvenate things a bit when he dropped that album.

Out of curiosity, what is your opinion of this song?

 

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Ether >>>> Takeover

Only due to the simple fact that at any time I open a thread on The Coli about Jay Z I'm not sure if it will be a picture of a camel or Jay.
 
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hes right. Been saying ether was overrated because at the time jay was at the top and cocky as ever and just called nas out on some cocky shyt. Its like mayweather....people just wanted to see jay lose and as long as it was decent they were gonna show favortism for nas. Just like people tune in to see if mayweather lose. Lyrically ether isnt really all that nice...if anything the hook was cleverly put together.
 

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hes right. Been saying ether was overrated because at the time jay was at the top and cocky as ever and just called nas out on some cocky shyt. Its like mayweather....people just wanted to see jay lose and as long as it was decent they were gonna show favortism for nas. Just like people tune in to see if mayweather lose. Lyrically ether isnt really all that nice...if anything the hook was cleverly put together.


from this post, you showcase you don't know many of the facts concerning this situation, at all.
let, alone any ability to actually rate the records on any plane that relates to emcee'n.

art barr
 

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takeover vs ether

bar for bar..ether sound like some shyt written from a nikka on the interwebs

dollaz n sense was by far a better diss than ether..n dj quik aint even a top 10 let alone 50 lyricist n he broke eiht off every molecule

nas mustve looked on sohh, allhiphop n boxden for inspiration...
 

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Because Jaz-O referenced him in a song.

“Rocafella had the crown on the block, him and Sync gettin' bent/I was 10 lookin' at them intrigued”

Clearly thats not John D Rockefeller.


Just admit you dont know WTF yourre talking about and keep it pushing.
Oh because Jaz mentioned him in a song. Did he happen to mention that this was the guy they named the company after? I understand you want it to be true, its ok. Keep in mind the line is corny anyway.
 

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jay is a sellout from the very beginning with a biting jaz, trying to be the fresh prince.
he never resonated before.
which is also,..why jay was around puff/big.
as puff, big existed as draws because they were connected to mca.
since, mca's beginning were linked to defjam.
they were the only type of label who was bullet proof against selling out.
which allowed rap to become a daytime radio drawing medium with heavy d, and the pedigree of andre harrell. who came from and used the integrity of his past affiliation of defjam.
to be bulletproof against any cultural violations.


originally,,....when, jay wanted a deal.
the cultural protection mechanism, kept that from occurring.
which is also a component as to why.
labels would not sign him because he was not a culturally credible artist, and was from the mecca.
back then, this put jayz and jaz in proper light.
disallowing them the ability to replicate.
then, effectively bite the fresh prince's draw, the way it was supposed to do as planned.

it was not until nas sold out, that jay was able to create a small foothold to draw.
before that, regardless of his skill level.
his former attempts to draw were held in check by the culture's protection mechanism.

the reason why nas sonned't jay calling him his son, is jay is nas's son.

as jay would have never drawn in rap, with his direction or content.
if nas, never sells out and opens the argument and creates a fake pass system.
which, allows sellout culture thieves an opportunity to draw.


nas is solely responsible for why we have wack rappers who draw.
plus no real diversity in the popular culture for black artist in rap.
as he turned his back on the protectors and the culture.
which created the ability for rap to stay a culture based and culturally protected business in whole.
before, a few exceptions with payola could permeate as expected.
yet, when nas sold out,...
it created the pass for anyone who was skilled or wack to draw.
as the person who is the protege to the protectors of the culture from hammer/wack emcee's etc.
is now, using the same template wack emcees use to sellout and draw.
with none of the cultural responsibility, that the legacy of the guys who protected rap.
who made it so nas could still have a place to perform/draw.

nas selling out retroacted all the work those protectors did to protect rap.
as nas, ushered in the technical era and what would be a change in sonic landscape as well in rap.

when, he sells out,..
it makes and gives general fans and labels the ability to say.
why do people need to be or have technical aptitude in rap.
why do people need to honor the culture of hiphop.
nas, doesn't and he is the protege to the people who cared about the culture.
so, if he does NOT care,....and he is the protege.

WHY SHOULD i,....?

that same thinking being executed is exactly why we are where we are now.

also,...if nas was still culturally about that life, like when illmatic rocked.
the people who bit him in 95, would had a larger draw and traction.
yet, since the protection mechanism were intact.

guys like fatjoe, to mic geronimo had to wait or never actualized their draws.
real talk,...
reality tv for rappers would have been a revenue grab back in 96.
close to twenty yars ago,.....
when, mic geronimo pioneered the artist lead reality show.
yet, since..the culture was intact.
we had to wait till nas sold out, for the rapper based reality show to draw convincingly.
as well, as fatjoe had to wait another five years after he bit nas.
plus, big pun's impact to become a platinum drawing artist.
it did not happen back then, because the protection mechanims of the culture squelched out the draw of bullshyt.
before nas destroyed the protection mechanism selling out on iww, and later on hate me now.
which signified the beginning of the end of quality rap and the culture being a part of rap as a drawing protected medium.



art barr


if nas never sells out is he the undisputed goat? cause you put a lot of power and responsibility on him man......
 

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He didn't really though with 95 percent of people. I'm preoccupied with hating when your criticising an artist for squashing a situation? Lol. That's ridiculous, Jay left and Nas was still signed to Def Jam, that shows who he was signed to.

assumptions assumptions :pachaha:he lost on grand scheme of things when he signed that deal :jawalrus:
 

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assumptions assumptions :pachaha:he lost on grand scheme of things when he signed that deal :jawalrus:

It's not an assumption, it's an undeniable fact. And in regards to "the grand scheme of things" that's irrelevant to the battle, the battle is about who wins on the battle tracks not all this other shyt. Makes no sense, that's like if MC Shan won the lottery 1 day and won like 200 million, he might have more money than KRS but that doesn't mean he won the battle. Even if hypothetically KRS signed directly to him, even though that wasn't the case with Nas and Jay. If your saying Jay Z has been more successful commercially then again I think that's a factual statement too, but that's got nothing to do with the battle. Most people think Nas won the battle. Just the way it is.
 

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It's not an assumption, it's an undeniable fact. And in regards to "the grand scheme of things" that's irrelevant to the battle, the battle is about who wins on the battle tracks not all this other shyt. Makes no sense, that's like if MC Shan won the lottery 1 day and won like 200 million, he might have more money than KRS but that doesn't mean he won the battle. Even if hypothetically KRS signed directly to him, even though that wasn't the case with Nas and Jay. If your saying Jay Z has been more successful commercially then again I think that's a factual statement too, but that's got nothing to do with the battle. Most people think Nas won the battle. Just the way it is.


you don't know what assumption is :bryan:
and that's your opinion :pachaha:wack as yourself :sas2: wannabe gangsta :pacspit: assuming since post one :childplease:
 
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