Chicago’s Urban Prep Does It Again: 100 Percent College Acceptance

[The Real]

you are making up standards, 15-17 percent is double the rate, so the extra spending and hours is doubling the rate compared to their piers, students from other neighborhoods are not their piers

as for the dropouts that is why we need more charters and less public schools

I'm not making up anything. Like I said, you haven't established how much that score relies on fluffing and how much is due to actual education.

As I said, if you only keep the best of that pool from which the peers are drawn, it would be easy to end up with these scores. Public schools don't have that option. If they were all charters, either the charters would start performing like the public schools, if forced to keep the low performers, or the kids would have nowhere to go.

 

[Milk N Cookies]

THIS is what Chicago needs to be showcased as. Not no fawckin Chi-raq

 

[Yogi]

One of the reasons they have a 100% acceptance rate for seniors is that their attrition rate is incredibly high. They lost almost 1/3 of their initial class from freshmen year to graduation, which is a massive loss. They force the lower performers out. This makes their actual graduation rate actually 6 points lower than the district average, which is not an achievement.

The other reason is that they refuse to graduate people who aren't accepted into a college, which naturally results in a perfect graduation/acceptance correlation. They can do this since they are a charter that sets their own requirements.

It's worth noting that their Chicago comp exam results are at 15%, which are far lower than the Chicago average of 23%. That means those that graduated barely made the cut, and that they struggled through HS, meaning they will almost certainly struggle through college and have a high dropout rate, which is the established patten of such students.

This is what happens when you focus on fluffing stats and leaving kids behind instead of on education.

Where are you getting this information?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Where are you getting this information?

I've heard it before as well. You only graduate if you get into college basically.

 

[Calmye]

One of the reasons they have a 100% acceptance rate for seniors is that their attrition rate is incredibly high. They lost almost 1/3 of their initial class from freshmen year to graduation, which is a massive loss. They force the lower performers out. This makes their actual graduation rate actually 6 points lower than the district average, which is not an achievement.

The other reason is that they refuse to graduate people who aren't accepted into a college, which naturally results in a perfect graduation/acceptance correlation. They can do this since they are a charter that sets their own requirements.

It's worth noting that their Chicago comp exam results are at 15%, which are far lower than the Chicago average of 23%. That means those that graduated barely made the cut, and that they struggled through HS, meaning they will almost certainly struggle through college and have a high dropout rate, which is the established patten of such students.

This is what happens when you focus on fluffing stats and leaving kids behind instead of on education.

where some links at breh. .. this can't be real[DOUBLEPOST=1397428566][/DOUBLEPOST]

http://webprod.isbe.net/ereportcard/publicsite/getReport.aspx?year=2013&code=150162990010C_E.pdf
Urban Prep Chtr Academy Englewood High School -- Chicago Tribune 2013 Illinois School Report Cards

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nikkas just can't win man

493 students attended this school. 84.6% are from low-income6 households, and 2.6% are homeless.

You think these students would do better in a traditional public school?

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm not making up anything. Like I said, you haven't established how much that score relies on fluffing and how much is due to actual education.

As I said, if you only keep the best of that pool from which the peers are drawn, it would be easy to end up with these scores. Public schools don't have that option. If they were all charters, either the charters would start performing like the public schools, if forced to keep the low performers, or the kids would have nowhere to go.

You are creating a standard that says doubling the passing rate is nothing, when it actually means a lot

Even at a normal public school students dropout so I don't see that as here or there, the school is very strict that is part of the curriculum

 

[Kritic]

everyone graduated and accepted in great colleges or unis in my year. private catholic school. not too many students 40 per class x2. numbers weren't "fixed" by the school.

some niccas did a lot of cheating in the exams

 

[newworldafro]

that's good...

 

[theworldismine13]

Attack on Urban Prep Charter harms students and teachers
Attack on Urban Prep Charter harms students and teachers - Chicago Sun-Times

 

[The Real]

You are creating a standard that says doubling the passing rate is nothing, when it actually means a lot

Even at a normal public school students dropout so I don't see that as here or there, the school is very strict that is part of the curriculum

I'm not saying it means nothing. I'm saying whether or not it means something is contingent on how much of it is due to selection and fluffing and how much is due to actual good education. So far, it has not been established that the latter is primarily responsible for it, and there are several reasons to believe that the former has a great deal to do with it.

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm not saying it means nothing. I'm saying whether or not it means something is contingent on how much of it is due to selection and fluffing and how much is due to actual good education. So far, it has not been established that the latter is primarily responsible for it, and there are several reasons to believe that the former has a great deal to do with it.

The dropout rate at bad schools is usually high, using your logic the public school numbers are artificially high because it doesn't count all the dropouts

 

[The Real]

The dropout rate at bad schools is usually high, using your logic the public school numbers are artificially high because it doesn't count all the dropouts

Well, no, because the public system doesn't involve dropping kids the way that Charters do.

 

[theworldismine13]

Well, no, because the public system doesn't involve dropping kids the way that Charters do.

well, yes, actually students that go to public schools do dropout

the students at urban prep are drawn from the same population at random, so the only way urban prep's scores wouldnt be significant would be if the dropout rate is higher

so for example saying 1/3 dropout sounds really really bad until your realizes that that is a 70% graduation rate, and considering graduation rates at "bad" urban schools hovers around 50%, 70% is decent

and technically they arent dropouts they are washouts, they couldnt abide by the strict rules of the school

 

[ltheghost]

No matter how we look at it 100% of the class going to college is amazing. When I graduated we lost 1/3rd of our class too and only 24% went to college. I don't think is bad at all. Good for those kids.

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

That's what's up!


I did some mentoring there this winter and it was good to connect with the young brothers. They have REAL shyt going on in their lives so more power to them.