loyola llothta
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Keep in mind that site is pro china- carribean relation.
Honestly I don't trust these deals but for different reasons. Too much secrecy
China to invest 30 billion USD in Haiti
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Honestly I don't trust these deals but for different reasons. Too much secrecy
loyola llothta
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Bahamas is about to be little china now with they hating ass...they love the cac British
loyola llothta
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Its another thread in the locker room that go in detail
I dont believe its going to be positive anyway because Haiti is back in the papa doc/baby doc days with the current USA puppet president killing people (its just not being reported in the west media) and the same people that was in charge of destroying PR is in charge of Haiti
I asked you about the new president but I guess you didn't see my post at the time. Anyways, I hardly know anything about this new president. Is he that bad?
Crayola Coyote
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Take money from people that have terribale worksmanship in their products and human/animal rights violations Haiti 
loyola llothta
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damn i didnt ? I will post more more about president "banana" and haitian military when im on my computer (in the root )Is he that bad? Its more who control haiti not the puppet (hes not knowledgeable or smart to do those things). Head officials from CA, USA , France call Haiti officials to kill and lock up the people that resist they hell. Haitian military is really USA military (just how US military train some African military but with haiti we have more deep history with the US military ). The current Haitian President stole the election by the way of the U.S.
The president Banana is just in that postion to sign bad deals , let dirty business go under detected (trafficking × sexually assaults ) and give up land to the west (&friends). Plus Haiti is being occupied for the third time, this time for 13+ plus years and going since 2004 (all by the US) help US and its friends (& satellite States) like south Korea, twian, Mexico, Dominican Republic , Brazil, Chile, Morocco etc in Haiti get great deals
Now currently you have the west, Brazil and Israel supplying the new haitian military with weapons to suppress and subjugate the people. Just about 2 or 3 months ago the Haitian military was shooting live bullets at kids in school in Okap (north Haiti) and executing haitian in south Haiti
The west media wont tell you this.
Background :
The US protect the Haitian Elite (mostly so the Syrian family)and funding them.The Elite is the opposition of the people and the real Democracy grassroots movement in Haiti.
So its the elite and the people in Washington that come to these type of agreement: The Elites find the perfect haitian puppet (grooming) for president which will do the all the west & friends bidding. Now he protected by the "Haitian" military and have secret meetings in DR. Usually the Elite (which mean the USA) can't get full control of Haiti because of the people keep fighting back but that change in 2004 with fake military rebels that invaded Haiti by the DR border (which physically set off the US proxy occupation in Haiti ) which was lead by Guy Philippe. Later in 2010 the Clinton regime took full power with the sell out murders political party(they not really political party but murders who wear suits) called "Tele kale " (sweet Mickey, the current president, head of police in Haiti etc)
If you want to get more background history about the current haitian military go watch tariq Doc about Haiti. The key part is when the U.S first occupied them in 1915 and how the haitian military became they military(by having fully control of them) this will later show up again in the 80s/& 90s Haiti's military/police (i think i dm you the link about that?)
After that watch Pena doc on the Occupation of Haiti and the oust of the former president in 2004 by the US & friends (i will dm you the link later ). Mind you they did this in 200 celebration of Haiti independence
Biscayne
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Spoke with my grandfather. He says the nation seems to love him. His name is President Jovenel Moise aka Neg Banan(plantain guy). He's called that because of his banana plantation that he established via his Agritans SA group. He helped bring hella jobs to Haiti before he was even president. But some Haitians have their own opinions and we don't know everything.
loyola llothta
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The nation dont like this c00n. D0nt confuse haitian elites (& wealthy haitian business man) with the peopleHe was Sweet Micky successor and buddy
This is the people. The real nation. The real zoes
this is what Zoe Life really look like
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Depends who you talk to. If you are Lavalas supporter Jovnel Moise is Papa Doc 2.0. My parents and most of my family support him. He has a lot of supporters in Haiti. I have not heard nothing bad about him much. It remains to be seen.
I see. Trying to do some research on this new president. Because again not familiar with him like with Sweet Mickey. You comparing him to Papa Doc seems good and bad at the same time.
But anyways, have the Chinese abandoned their plans for infrusture investments? Because its been months since we have heard news.
get these nets
Veteran
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/
Haiti
As Taiwan loses another ally to China, Haiti's president heads to Taipei to negotiate
May 25, 2018 06:51 PM
Updated May 25, 2018 07:00 PM
Haiti has long struggled to lure jobs, and attract foreign investments.
But now the country is in a rare position of strength as China and Taiwan engage in a global tug-of-war over diplomatic allegiances.
For now, Haiti is signaling that it’s aligned with Taiwan, evidenced by Haitian President Jovenel Moïse's planned visit to Taipei this weekend accompanied by a retinue of parliamentarians, business owners and members of his administration.
Despite the trip, though, Moïse's chief of staff, Wilson Laleau, noted that Haiti isn't closing the door to other potential partnerships, including China.
"Taiwan is a longtime friend... [but] Haiti is looking for where its interests lie," said Laleau, a former Haiti finance and commerce minister.
"We are talking to all to see what is possible," he added. "We are looking for alliances, partners who want to come and invest with us. We are not looking for traditional aid, or people who are going to give charity. That's what put Haiti in the situation it is in."
Haiti's seemingly wavering commitment to Taiwan comes as China increases its footprint across Latin America, and Taipei loses yet another ally with Thursday's announcement by the West African nation of Burkina Faso that it is ending relations. Taiwan now has just 18 diplomatic allies worldwide, including Haiti.
Port-au-Prince needs a makeover. Can China be the answer?
Port-au-Prince Mayor Youri Chevry wants to transform his destitute capital city -- and he thinks China can help even though Haiti remains loyal to Taiwan.
By José A. Iglesias
While Tapei reacted angrily to the news of China's latest move to form an alliance with Burkina Faso, the second in a month,the U.S. State Department has been making its position clear amid deepened concerns about China's expanding geopolitical influence. Following the Dominican Republic's announcement earlier this month that like Panama last year, it was cutting ties in favor of China, the U.S. has been sending messages to those in the region still aligned with Taipei to stay the course.
Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio has been one of the most vocal critics on China's expanding influence."
We are actively reaching out to the embassies of countries like Haiti, urging them not to make the same mistake as the Dominican Republic and emphasizing that doing so would represent a setback to U.S.-Haiti relations,” Rubio, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Western Hemisphere subcommittee, told the Miami Herald.
Rubio said he's not insensitive to an impoverished Haiti's need to attract investments, and he's "not necessarily against China investment per se." His issue, he said, is the quid pro quo nature of such deals. China, Rubio said, "has no problem" using its private investments in countries as leverage to align the countries with China's interests.
"China views us as geopolitical competition and is trying to diminish our influence and that needs to be a factor," when considering switching, he said. "The deal is never as good as it sounds on the front end."
Rubio's advice to the Haitian delegation this weekend:
"One dollar investment from Taiwan is better than $3 of investments from China," he said. "Three dollars of Chinese investments not only will not flow to you, but it comes with all kinds of strings attached that are going to be problematic for decades to come."
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The Dominican Republic ditched Taiwan for China. Is Haiti next to cut diplomatic ties?
Haiti observers say the Dominican-Haitian border has become the new line of demarcation in the China-Taiwan battle in the region and wonder if Haiti will use its current leverage to negotiate additional assistance from the Trump administration, which has been pushing cuts in foreign aid, or a reversal of the administration’s decision to end temporary protection from deportation for more than 50,000 U.S.-based Haitians as of July 2019.
"Haiti is in a unique position today because the island of Hispaniola has suddenly become ‘ground zero’ for the battle between China and Taiwan for diplomatic recognition," said Daniel Erikson, a former Obama administration adviser on Latin America. "The question is whether Haiti wishes to use this new-found leverage to strengthen relations with Taiwan and curry favor with the Trump administration, or if it decides to shift gears, cut ties with Taiwan, and embrace China.
"The bottom line," Erikson added, "is that Haiti needs to dramatically increase foreign direct investment to boost economic growth, and that will weigh heavily on the talks in Taiwan."
A former high-ranking Haitian government official expressed doubts that the Moïse administration has the skill to negotiate on the world stage.
"You have to have a clear vision, and everyone is complaining that they don't see a clear vision on where this government wants to take us," said the official, who is privy to some of the administration's thinking and spoke on the condition of anonymity to openly share an assessment of the situation.
"In the Dominican Republic, there was debate. In Haiti, there has been no real debate about the benefits of Taiwan or China. It's been more: 'Will I align myself with the U.S. interests or will I take the risk and go with China because I need financing for my projects?'"
Moïse has been under increasing pressure internationally and domestically. The U.S., and Rubio, have pressed him about his support for Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro. Foreign donors are calling for transparency and politically-difficult reforms in Haiti's budget including price hikes on gas and changes in the electricity sector, both of which are subsidized. Without the reforms, Haiti, which is running a deficit,risks losing $96 million in budgetary support from the Inter-American Development Bank, European Union and the World Bank that it is due to receive before the end of September.
At the same time, Moïse also needs money for his flagship Caravan of Change public works program, and is facing threats of opposition protests over the deteriorating social environment. Earlier this week, labor organizers forced a two-day closure of about a dozen factories in Port-au-Prince by attacking them with rocks and forcing workers into the streets. The organizers are demanding a raise in the minimum wage for factory workers from $5.36 a day to $15.31, and that Moïse fulfill promises to provide workers with transportation and other social benefits to offset the rising cost of living.
With all the pressures, Haiti, the official said, has to pick its battles carefully. "They see the Chinese money as money for tomorrow, and Taiwan is money that can arrive much more quickly today to help them find some relief so that they can govern..." he said. "They will sacrifice mainland China for now, but the plan is to do the shift."
While Haiti and Taiwan's diplomatic ties go back 62 years, a China Commercial office did open in Haiti 1993. It was supposed to be the first step toward diplomatic relations with mainland China after a few years, said another official, who had been part of the negotiations.
Chinese interests in Haiti may include the country's unexplored gold, copper and silver wealth, but the former high-ranking Haitian government official said China's interests are more practical. Unlike the Dominican Republic, which has a number of U.S. investors, the Chinese would face no competition in Haiti and the country's undeveloped terrain not only means a bonanza for Chinese construction firms, but also for business interests. Haiti's proximity to the U.S., its duty free access to the U.S. market for Haitian-sewn apparel and foreign relations ties to the U.S. also are attractive to China's geopolitical interests.
"I think Haiti could negotiate a great deal if [Moïse] were to recognize them. Clearly, nothing comes free, and China is not in the business of charity, but recognition could bring a great initial deal," said Robert Fatton, a Haiti expert who teaches political science at the University of Virginia. "Afterward, watch out. China, like any other major power, defends its economic and strategic interest. China may, however, offer loans at a preferential and low rate which would be to Haiti’s benefit. In addition, the Chinese are not usually in the business of dictating the nature of your regime, unlike the U.S. "
Neither Haitian nor Taiwanese officials are offering any specifics about the negotiations or the visit to Taiwan, which includes the head of Haiti's Central Bank as well as the president of the Haitian Senate.
Laleau, the president's chief of staff, would only say: "There are things we want to discuss with them....We want to give priority to investments, to find opportunities for our youth so they don't have to get on boats and can live in their country with dignity."
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Hmmm.....