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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Cool, but Walt Frazier had one of the best game 7s of all time and did it in a finalsBreh, just admit that you love narratives more than basketball and give it a fukking rest already.
Frazier and CP3 both had plenty of history of balling out in some big moments. But if you want to actually compare:
Frazier in the final game of a series over his career: 18.8ppg
CP3 in the final game of a series over his career: 22.5ppg
Frazier's top-3 series ending wins: 36 points, 25 points, 25 points
CP3's top-3 series-ending wins: 41 points, 41 points, 37 points
Frazier playoff game-winners: ?
CP3 playoff game-winners: The series-winning shot in Game 7 over Tim Duncan
And that's even crazier cause CP3 a pass-first point guard while Frazier played in a much faster-paced era and didn't set up his teammates as much even tho he had the NBA MVP on his team.
Also...
We all literally saw Chris Paul shriek from the moment in these finals.
Cool, but Walt Frazier had one of the best game 7s of all time and did it in a finals
That was ONE game, and it was an easy win where he was playing with 4 HOFers in the starting lineup. That game was never within double-digits after the 1st quarter so its silly to claim that one game defines big moments when it they were up 20+ for most of it.
CP3 had similar games to close out teams on multiple occasions, they just didn't happen to be in the Finals cause CP3 never played with 4 HOFers in the starting lineup simultaneously.
You ignore that Frazier was only averaging 14.5ppg in the Finals before that Game 7. You ignore that in the previous series he had scored just 2 points on 1-8 shooting in the closeout game (team was so stacked they won anyway). You ignore that in his other title season he only averaged 16.8ppg and 5.1 apg in the Finals. You ignore that the 2nd-best closeout win performance of his entire career was just 25 points.
You literally wrote an entire narrative off of ONE game, and that was a blowout win with a stacked team too.
RennisDeynolds
I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds!
I dont like cliff but David stern fukked him on that trade
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
against a team with four HOFers, and the Knicks MVP was limping.
Nah, CP3 has never had a game like 36 points, 18 assists and 7 rebounds and probably a crazy amount of steals in a game 7 of an NBA final. Not many players have.
Thats cool, but Walt was known as a clutch player.
Chris Paul is also known as one and yet we have seen him look scared in the moment. We saw it in the last four games that Chris Paul didn't want it during winning time.
He ain't it. Its fine to accept that. It seems Chris Paul has.
My Rockets did until he tore his fkn hamstringThe most skilled all-around point guard of all time stuck on teams who can never defend the other team's bigs when it matters.
False. The Lakers only had 3 HOFers and one was Baylor who was 35yo and at the end of his career. Baylor only had 19 and Wilt got shook by Willis Reed's comeback, only scored 21 and shot 1-11 from the line. Both did not nearly enough in a blowout loss.against a team with four HOFers, and the Knicks MVP was limping.
Ironically the only HOFer on the Lakers who showed out was Jerry West, who scored 28 while being defended by....Walt Frazier.
That's why this whole narrative is hilarious. If it was CP3's team then Wilt would have scored 50 points and Baylor would have hit 6 threes. Walt didn't have anything to do with the Lakers' two star frontcourt players failing to take over in a big game, and outside of that easy blowout he didn't have any other big games in the series.
You didn't post the first 6 games of the Finals where he averaged just 14.5ppg
You didn't post the next Finals where he got back-end swept
You didn't post the Finals after that where he averaged just 16 and 5
You posted the only Finals game in his career where he showed out in a big win.
Considering that CP3 has posted 41-7-10 in an elimination game, 37-3-7 in an elimination game, and 41-4-8 in an elimination game, and all in a MUCH slower era with MUCH worst supporting cast, you have zero evidence that he wouldn't put up 36-18-7 in a blowout win during a high-scoring era where he got to pass to an entire lineup of all-stars all game long.
And let me point out again - Frazier's other Finals games were nothing like that. His other elimination game performances don't stack up to CP3's best at all. So constantly making a big deal about ONE game where they had a 15-point lead at the end of the 1st and stayed up 20+ for most of the game is meaningless. You're talking like it was a clutch down-to-the-wire game and not a blowout win where they were comfortably out of reach almost the whole way.
Why do you keep trying to prove that all you care about is narratives and not facts?
Heavy_Handz
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I hate the Chris Paul slander. MJ stood in the way of Barkley, Drexler, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Dominique, Etc. Why can’t we view it as Giannis is just an all-time great. It’s bigger than Paul blowing shyt. Giannis is Giannis.
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Veteran
Rhakim,
Just hold the L. Your guy was the leader of that team. You credited their franchise turnaround to Paul's leadership, so when they lose you don't get to develop amnesia about CP3 lack of leadership contributing to that loss.
Had they won, Paul would have been credited with leading a 10 year playoff drought franchise to a ring. But, they lost under his watch....after being up 2-0.
Not a coincidence, after happening to his teams so many times.
Just hold the L. Your guy was the leader of that team. You credited their franchise turnaround to Paul's leadership, so when they lose you don't get to develop amnesia about CP3 lack of leadership contributing to that loss.
Had they won, Paul would have been credited with leading a 10 year playoff drought franchise to a ring. But, they lost under his watch....after being up 2-0.
Not a coincidence, after happening to his teams so many times.
I've awlays wondered that. How do y'all watch his games and not get tired of the same thing over and over again? Willfully ignoring the bad and only hyperfocusing on the unlucky times? Mental gymnastics to excuse his failures? (Otherwise known as confirmation bias)?
Same thing with Harden stans. Although, at least some Harden stans call him out.
