CHRIS ROCK'S TOP FIVE IS BLASPHEMOUS

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it's one thing to need help...to need a complimentary player- gasol, pippen, jason terry (lol).....but what lebron did was run to play with a player who was THEE man. a champion, finals mvp, another alpha who ran his city....why? because lebron himself is not an alpha. and u see what he did once the heat finally lost lol.....brodie, he's on that dominique wilkins, isiah thomas echelon....he doesnt match up wit jordan, kareem, bird, kobe, magic etc. not to mention, he's played his entire career in a historically bad leastern conference. the nba and bspn been shovin lebron down peoples throats for so long that cats actually equate him wit bein on the level of them players i mentioned. but he just aint.

as for title-chasing bein "done throughout nba history", show me another top tier great who willingly left his team to go play with another championship player to get his.....it never happened, u just re-writing history for the sake of arguin.

but he is a player who tenses up and plays different when true pressure is on...this is indisputable. forget the 2-5 finals record...has he had big games? of course. but just watch how he plays when games truly matter. he was being covered 1-on-1 with a 5-foot cushion by boris mufuccin diaw in the 2013 finals because of how bad he played for the first 5 games........the fact that ray allen hit that three and took the pressure off truly saved the entire perception of how people view him. but i see where u at...u been fed this bs for years by bspn and u eat it up. probably even a lebron fan (am i wrong?)...so theres no changin ur view. do u, but understand that i speak as a basketball enthusiast who used the eye test to judge a player...not the statistics and narratives.


as for the pac issue, i think some1 already hit the nail on the head when they explained how questlove had a hand in making the movie and personally didn't think pac was a great mc. if pac was only mentioned as a potential actor in a tyler perry movie, u gota admit they did him (and the west coast in general) wrong. why was ice-t laughed off (the only west coast rapper in the movie)?? the agenda was in place, g. thats all it really come down 2.

Those aren't "complimentary" players. Shaquille O'Neal is a top 10 player and arguably the most dominant player ever at his peak he was actually the man in those Lakers runs, Gasol was a franchise player in Memphis one of the best bigs in the league, Pippen is a Hall of Famer one of the best two way players in the league and an MVP candidate when Jordan retired and he was the man. LeBron is a alpha because he was the leader of his Heat teams, I already told you those three man teams have existed through NBA history. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman is a three man team. Magic, Kareem, Worthy is a three man team. Bird, McHale, Parish, Johnson is a four man team. LeBron left Miami because he knows he has unfinished business in Cleveland it's his hometown team, he wanted to win there badly, Wade was declining everyone knew he was thinking of one day returning. A man with two Finals MVP's is an alpha. The Eastern Conference argument is weak, the Western Conference of the 80's was weak AF. Nobody criticizes Magic for it he went up against 35 win 8th seeds, and went entire rounds not facing at least 50 win teams. At the end of the day the talent on those Cavs team was fine relative to conference and teams like the Magic, Pistons, Hawks and Celtics were good teams, Indiana/Boston were formidable opponents in the Heat days, and he always went up against the best West team in the Finals. That's like me discrediting the Lakers 3-Peat because they faced super weak teams in the Finals, the early 00s East is actually the worst not the late 00's/10's.

It's funny you bring up those guys when Kobe was horrific in the 00 and 04 Finals and is a horrendous game 7 performer, Bird the mega alpha didn't even win Finals MVP in the 82 Finals and averaged 15 points on a measly 42% shooting, Magic was once called Tragic Johnson for choking. Wilt is in everyone's top 10 and he's a guy whose performance dropped many times in the playoffs.

Wilt, Moses Malone, Kareem all asked for trades off their teams. LeBron was in a different situation from anyone in NBA history. He played on a small market with bad cap space that couldn't attract free agents, didn't have top draft picks, and didn't pull the trigger on certain trades (Andre Iguodala, Amar'e Stoudemire). LeBron couldn't waste his prime there seeing what Boston had, and what other great teams had he made the logical decision to leave.

You have no idea what you're talking about Boris Diaw covered LeBron because Kawhi was getting torched Boris has developed into a solid defender. Boris was the only one who could take LeBron's mass in the post and was disciplined enough to not fall for his jab steps and stay with him on the perimeter. Also, San Antonio was helping constantly everytime LeBron drove. Also LBJ wasn't that's bad in the first 5 games of the 2013 Finals, game 4 was his only really bad game where he scored 15 and the Heat got destroyed. He had an 18/18/10 triple double in game one, 17/8/7 in a 20 point blow out and then closed out the series with 3 of the next four games being 30+ point performances. Ray Allen didn't do anything homie, he hit a clutch three it's what he's in the game 4. No different than Steve Kerr or John Paxson hitting gamewinners for Jordan in the Bulls era. Don't ignore LeBron took over the game completely on the verge of elimination, and then dropped 37 on the Spurs in game 7.

Have I been fed by BSPN, or have you because this alpha, killer instinct, championships is tell all for a player shyt is all BSPN driven bullsh*t. I look at skill sets, accomplishments, circumstances, and dominance. I don't think I'm gonna change your mind homie but it's whatever.

 

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That avatar is quite fitting

 

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Those aren't "complimentary" players. Shaquille O'Neal is a top 10 player and arguably the most dominant player ever at his peak he was actually the man in those Lakers runs, Gasol was a franchise player in Memphis one of the best bigs in the league, Pippen is a Hall of Famer one of the best two way players in the league and an MVP candidate when Jordan retired and he was the man. LeBron is a alpha because he was the leader of his Heat teams, I already told you those three man teams have existed through NBA history. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman is a three man team. Magic, Kareem, Worthy is a three man team. Bird, McHale, Parish, Johnson is a four man team. LeBron left Miami because he knows he has unfinished business in Cleveland it's his hometown team, he wanted to win there badly, Wade was declining everyone knew he was thinking of one day returning. A man with two Finals MVP's is an alpha. The Eastern Conference argument is weak, the Western Conference of the 80's was weak AF. Nobody criticizes Magic for it he went up against 35 win 8th seeds, and went entire rounds not facing at least 50 win teams. At the end of the day the talent on those Cavs team was fine relative to conference and teams like the Magic, Pistons, Hawks and Celtics were good teams, Indiana/Boston were formidable opponents in the Heat days, and he always went up against the West team in the Finals. That's like me discrediting the Lakers 3-Peat because they faced super weak teams in the Finals, the early 00s East is actually the worst not the late 00's/10's.

It's funny you bring up those guys when Kobe was horrific in the 00 and 04 Finals and is a horrendous game 7 performer, Bird the mega alpha didn't even win Finals MVP in the 82 Finals and averaged 15 points on a measly 42% shooting, Magic was once called Tragic Johnson for choking. Wilt is in everyone's top 10 and he's a guy whose performance dropped many times in the playoffs.

Wilt, Moses Malone, Kareem all asked for trades off their teams. LeBron was in a different situation from anyone in NBA history. He played on a small market with bad cap space that couldn't attract free agents, didn't have top draft picks, and didn't pull the trigger on certain trades (Andre Iguodala, Amar'e Stoudemire). LeBron couldn't waste his prime there seeing what Boston had, and what other great teams had he made the logical decision to leave.

You have no idea what you're talking about Boris Diaw covered LeBron because Kawhi was getting torched Boris has developed into a solid defender. Boris was the only one who could take LeBron's mass in the post and was disciplined enough to not fall for his jab steps and stay with him on the perimeter. Also, San Antonio was helping constantly everytime LeBron drove. Also LBJ wasn't that's bad in the first 5 games of the 2013 Finals, game 4 was his only really bad game where he scored 15 and the Heat got destroyed. He had an 18/18/10 triple double in game one, 17/8/7 in a 20 point blow out and then closed out the series with 3 of the next four games being 30+ point performances. Ray Allen didn't do anything homie, he hit a clutch three it's what he's in the game 4. No different than Steve Kerr or John Paxson hitting gamewinners for Jordan in the Bulls era. Don't ignore LeBron took over the game completely on the verge of elimination, and then dropped 37 on the Spurs in game 7.

Have I been fed by BSPN, or have you because this alpha, killer instinct, championships is tell all for a player shyt is all BSPN driven bullsh*t. I look at skill sets, accomplishments, circumstances, and dominance. I don't think I'm gonna change your mind homie but it's whatever.

LOL i'm not talkin about shaq...yes, kobe's titles wit shaq are like lebron's titles with wade, i wont deny that. but them title runs with pau, IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE, is far more impressive than any of lebron's title runs. basically, pau is equivalent to bosh, not to wade.....imagine where lebron would be if bosh was his second fiddle LOL...we all know how that would turn out, but u guna sit here and try to re-write history to make lebron look like he didnt run to play for a team that already had a finals MVP and dude who already won it all as the main guy without him.


also, like i already said, magic and jordan built what they had where they were drafted, they didnt bail on their teams to go play on another top 5 player's team...they even went on record and said they woulda never did that.


and lmfao @ comparing the eastern conference of today to anything in the 80s, come on G...the east nowadays is worse than ANY conference EVER...and that's pretty much indisputable.


++ lets quit throwing them cav teams under the bus....them teams were 60 win teams, some of the strongest defenses in the league, and even favorite to win the championships in some of them years....LEBRON SIMPLY COULDNT GET IT DONE, SO HE RAN AWAY.


do u realize that lebron, who averaged close to 30 a game on 50+ % from the field couldn't even get to 20 in his first 3 Finals games vs the spurs in 2013 and shot somethin like 40%?? it's obvious that he doesnt deal wit pressure well...when the tables turn, and the pressure is on the other team, thats when he excels. i'm not guna sit here and deny his talent, because he is undeniably great...but trust me when i tell you that he doesn't match up wit the all-time greats, brobro.

 

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lebron prolly aint even 30 yet, and hes already solidified his spot as the goat SF in my book.

and i can definitely see lebron passing jordan on my all-time list. jordan isnt the goat to me tho. neither of them is messing with oscar, wilt or russell. are they even toppin kareem?

 

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You realize it was WHOLE nother game after the game your talking about (game 7) where LeBron balled out in right?
HE's the reason Ray was even in the position to hit that shot in game 6 cause he BALLED OUT in the fourth quater and kept them in the game. He scored more than the WHOLE Spurs team in that qtr.

ANd LOL at Pac bein CONSENSUS goat

AINT NO CONSENSUS goat FOOL!!!

and what if ray doesnt hit that shot? lebron goes down as the biggest choke in sports history based on how he played for a majority of the series (save for that 4th quarter and game 4)...but for a majority of that series, prior to that ray three, he was being heavily scrutinized. like i said, he was being guarded by boris diaw 1-on-1 WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION....can u imagine what would happen if thats how a prime Kobe was defended? i can.

 

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LOL i'm not talkin about shaq...yes, kobe's titles wit shaq are like lebron's titles with wade, i wont deny that. but them title runs with pau, IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE, is far more impressive than any of lebron's title runs. basically, pau is equivalent to bosh, not to wade.....imagine where lebron would be if bosh was his second fiddle LOL...we all know how that would turn out, but u guna sit here and try to re-write history to make lebron look like he didnt run to play for a team that already had a finals MVP and dude who already won it all as the main guy without him.


also, like i already said, magic and jordan built what they had where they were drafted, they didnt bail on their teams to go play on another top 5 player's team...they even went on record and said they woulda never did that.


and lmfao @ comparing the eastern conference of today to anything in the 80s, come on G...the east nowadays is worse than ANY conference EVER...and that's pretty much indisputable.


++ lets quit throwing them cav teams under the bus....them teams were 60 win teams, some of the strongest defenses in the league, and even favorite to win the championships in some of them years....LEBRON SIMPLY COULDNT GET IT DONE, SO HE RAN AWAY.


do u realize that lebron, who averaged close to 30 a game on 50+ % from the field couldn't even get to 20 in his first 3 Finals games vs the spurs in 2013 and shot somethin like 40%?? it's obvious that he doesnt deal wit pressure well...when the tables turn, and the pressure is on the other team, thats when he excels. i'm not guna sit here and deny his talent, because he is undeniably great...but trust me when i tell you that he doesn't match up wit the all-time greats, brobro.

Pau was a bit better than Bosh, better defender and playmaker, better rebounder and more skilled post player. That's besides the point, it's not all about stars that Lakers team also had the greatest coach of All-Time and great role players. Odom was extremely versatile he was a 15/10/3.5 guy in '08, Fisher always showed up in the big moments and was a + defender. What does it matter that Wade had a Finals MVP, dude was injury prone and was on the decline after the first year of the Big 3. Bosh disappeared in the playoffs forreal, and he was always seen as guy who put up numbers but could never lead a team to the playoffs in Toronto. You're still ignoring the fact that every All-Time great played with HoFers. Again what does that matter when LeBron was clearly the man behind every championship run, you know how many times Bosh and Wade struggled look at the Indiana series in '12.

Magic had Kareem Abdul-Jabbar he was the best player in the league upon Magic being drafted, Jordan came into the league with Orlando Wooldrige who was a great player he struggled for a bit against the Bad Boy Pistons until Pippen developed into a star in the early 90's and Grant developed into one of the best two way PF's in the league before being replaced by a HoFer in Rodman. They would have never did that because they weren't in LeBron's position it's easy for them to say that.

The '80's Western Conference was terrible, Magic had cakewalks in several seasons. It was a top heavy conference, while Bird played in one of the best conferences ever Magic was facing 31 WIN 8th Seeds. Also, the early '00's Eastern Conference is weaker than today's Eastern Conference. Look at those Philadelphia and New Jersey teams that were making Finals.

Those Cavaliers teams won because LeBron was ridiculous in those seasons, in '09 the Magic beat the Cavs with Bron averaging 35/9/8 through the playoffs he was putting up 40 and still losing. They were never favorited to win over Boston. In terms of talent those teams clearly lacked don't kid yourself. With their defense and chemistry, and LeBron leading the way putting up statlines like 30/7/8.5 they could win games in the RS. In '08 LeBron took the historically good Celtics 7 games but came up short they were flat out better team. Better defense, three HoFers+Rondo, good role players, Doc Rivers coaching. Look at how bad those Cavs teams were post-LeBron with basically the same cast, look at this years Heat his impact is remarkable.

Bro, he had a triple doubt he had 18 rebounds and 10 assists to go along with those 18 points in game 1, in game 2 he dropped 17/8/7 in a 20 point blow out obviously his scoring wasn't needed, in game 3 he struggled 15 points in a 36 point blow out I remember Green and Neal shot the lights out, but in 3 of the next 4 he scored 30+. The series isn't 3 games it went 7. I'd say having three 30 point games and two triple doubles against one of the top defenses in a 7 game series is pretty damn good. Like I said Bird averaged 15 on 42% shooting didn't win Finals MVP in the '82 Finals, Wilt usually underperformed, Magic was once called Tragic, Kobe shot the Lakers out of the '04 Finals and his work on the boards was pitiful he's a terrible game 7 performer. LeBron is top 5 in NBA history in terms of playoffs points per game, he's a premiere game 7 performer/elimination game performer.

and what if ray doesnt hit that shot? lebron goes down as the biggest choke in sports history based on how he played for a majority of the series (save for that 4th quarter and game 4)...but for a majority of that series, prior to that ray three, he was being heavily scrutinized. like i said, he was being guarded by boris diaw 1-on-1 WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION....can u imagine what would happen if thats how a prime Kobe was defended? i can.

But Ray is in the game to hit shots like those , again what about Paxson and Kerr for Jordan? What about overtime, what about game 7? Basketball ain't a game of what if's, it happened. Boris wasn't guarding him one on one if you actually watched the game you'd see the Spurs loaded the strong side of the floor and sent doubles as LeBron drove. Ignore the fact that Boris is actually laterally quick for his size, isn't a bad defender, and was the only one who could take LeBron in the post. Ignore the fact that Boris Diaw did a lot better defensively than Kawhi Leonard defensively. Kobe wouldn't be guarded by Boris, he's a better shooter off the dribble than LeBron and too quick laterally for Boris. You best believe Kobe wouldn't shoot great percentages either against these Spurs, dude is a 41% Finals shooter.

Don't bring up Kobe bro. Kobe had Shaq, Kobe still has two terrible Finals performances under his belt, Kobe still threw his team under the bus in the '07 Playoffs against the Suns refusing to shoot in a second half, Kobe is a terrible game 7 performer. Kobe isn't perfect.

 

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"As a writer myself"

1.Link to your writing
2. No offense, but I'm pretty sure that Pac's lack of time in writing is undoubtedly better than any piece of writing you've labored over

Meanwhile I let the beats rock. My neighbors beat the sheet rock
While I just do the human beat box and spit heat rocks
You overwhelmed like a female that's takin three cocks
It knocks you out your white sweatsocks and classic Reebox
You wanna test your literary skills and catch a speedknot?
Believe not. It's like Chewbac boxin an Ewok
Niqqas like to think that we cool but we are not
And I'ma see your style after school at three o'clock

I can't see any outcome besides you calling my bars wack, but there ya go.

 

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Pau was a bit better than Bosh, better defender and playmaker, better rebounder and more skilled post player. That's besides the point, it's not all about stars that Lakers team also had the greatest coach of All-Time and great role players. Odom was extremely versatile he was a 15/10/3.5 guy in '08, Fisher always showed up in the big moments and was a + defender. What does it matter that Wade had a Finals MVP, dude was injury prone and was on the decline after the first year of the Big 3. Bosh disappeared in the playoffs forreal, and he was always seen as guy who put up numbers but could never lead a team to the playoffs in Toronto. You're still ignoring the fact that every All-Time great played with HoFers. Again what does that matter when LeBron was clearly the man behind every championship run, you know how many times Bosh and Wade struggled look at the Indiana series in '12.

Magic had Kareem Abdul-Jabbar he was the best player in the league upon Magic being drafted, Jordan came into the league with Orlando Wooldrige who was a great player he struggled for a bit against the Bad Boy Pistons until Pippen developed into a star in the early 90's and Grant developed into one of the best two way PF's in the league before being replaced by a HoFer in Rodman. They would have never did that because they weren't in LeBron's position it's easy for them to say that.

The '80's Western Conference was terrible, Magic had cakewalks in several seasons. It was a top heavy conference, while Bird played in one of the best conferences ever Magic was facing 31 WIN 8th Seeds. Also, the early '00's Eastern Conference is weaker than today's Eastern Conference. Look at those Philadelphia and New Jersey teams that were making Finals.

Those Cavaliers teams won because LeBron was ridiculous in those seasons, in '09 the Magic beat the Cavs with Bron averaging 35/9/8 through the playoffs he was putting up 40 and still losing. They were never favorited to win over Boston. In terms of talent those teams clearly lacked don't kid yourself. With their defense and chemistry, and LeBron leading the way putting up statlines like 30/7/8.5 they could win games in the RS. In '08 LeBron took the historically good Celtics 7 games but came up short they were flat out better team. Better defense, three HoFers+Rondo, good role players, Doc Rivers coaching. Look at how bad those Cavs teams were post-LeBron with basically the same cast, look at this years Heat his impact is remarkable.

Bro, he had a triple doubt he had 18 rebounds and 10 assists to go along with those 18 points in game 1, in game 2 he dropped 17/8/7 in a 20 point blow out obviously his scoring wasn't needed, in game 3 he struggled 15 points in a 36 point blow out I remember Green and Neal shot the lights out, but in 3 of the next 4 he scored 30+. The series isn't 3 games it went 7. I'd say having three 30 point games and two triple doubles against one of the top defenses in a 7 game series is pretty damn good. Like I said Bird averaged 15 on 42% shooting didn't win Finals MVP in the '82 Finals, Wilt usually underperformed, Magic was once called Tragic, Kobe shot the Lakers out of the '04 Finals and his work on the boards was pitiful he's a terrible game 7 performer. LeBron is top 5 in NBA history in terms of playoffs points per game, he's a premiere game 7 performer/elimination game performer.

But Ray is in the game to hit shots like those , again what about Paxson and Kerr for Jordan? What about overtime, what about game 7? Basketball ain't a game of what if's, it happened. Boris wasn't guarding him one on one if you actually watched the game you'd see the Spurs loaded the strong side of the floor and sent doubles as LeBron drove. Ignore the fact that Boris is actually laterally quick for his size, isn't a bad defender, and was the only one who could take LeBron in the post. Ignore the fact that Boris Diaw did a lot better defensively than Kawhi Leonard defensively. Kobe wouldn't be guarded by Boris, he's a better shooter off the dribble than LeBron and too quick laterally for Boris. You best believe Kobe wouldn't shoot great percentages either against these Spurs, dude is a 41% Finals shooter.

Don't bring up Kobe bro. Kobe had Shaq, Kobe still has two terrible Finals performances under his belt, Kobe still threw his team under the bus in the '07 Playoffs against the Suns refusing to shoot in a second half, Kobe is a terrible game 7 performer. Kobe isn't perfect.

PAU WAS A BIT BETTER THAN BOSH? U GRASPIN AT STRAWS, BRODIE...MY POINT REMAINS. AND AGAIN, U RE-WRITIN HISTORY FOR THE SAKE OF UR ARGUMENT....BOSH NEVER LED A TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS? LOL. SO THOSE YEARS WIT TORONTO NEVER HAPPENED? COME ON, G. LETS JUST BE REAL HERE AND STOP WIT ALL THIS NONSENSE.

AND AGAIN, U DANCIN AROUND MY MAIN POINT...I DONT CARE WHO DEVELOPED BESIDE MJ OR HOW. IF MJ WAS LEBRON, HE WOULDA LEFT THE BULLS AFTER 1990, AFTER ALL THEM STRUGGLES IN HIS FIRST CHAPTER....HE WAS PRACTICALLY IN THE SAME SITUATION AS LEBRON...BUT GUESS WHAT, THEY AINT CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH. U KNOW WHO IS? MAGIC, KOBE, BIRD, KAREEM....LEBRON IS A 2ND TIER GREAT, AT BEST.

AS FOR THOSE PHILADELPHIA AND NET TEAMS, THEY WOULD BOTH BE BY FAR THE BEST TEAM IF THEY PLAYED IN THE CURRENT EASTERN CONFERENCE. REALLY, THIS AINT UP FOR DEBATE...ANY1 WILL TELL U THAT THE EAST IS HISTORICALLY BAD. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE BEST 3-4 TEAMS, THERES A DRASTIC FALL-OFF.

AND AGAIN RE-WRITING HISTORY...THERE WAS AT LEATS 1 SEASON I REMEMBER WHERE THE CAVS WERE FAVORED TO WIN IT ALL. RE-WRITING MORE AND MORE..BORIS DID GUARD HIM 1-ON-1, HE DID STRUGGLE IN THE MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, ETC. ETC. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAN WHEN JORDAN USED PAXSON, KERR FOR THE SHOT ETC.



BOTTOM LINE, WE CAN KEEP GOIN ON AND ON, BUT I GOTA GO GET SOME LUNCH CUZZCUZZ.. ITS CLEAR YOU'RE A LEBRON FAN, SO THERE IS NO CHANGING YOUR STANCE. TRUST ME THO

 

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PAU WAS A BIT BETTER THAN BOSH? U GRASPIN AT STRAWS, BRODIE...MY POINT REMAINS. AND AGAIN, U RE-WRITIN HISTORY FOR THE SAKE OF UR ARGUMENT....BOSH NEVER LED A TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS? LOL. SO THOSE YEARS WIT TORONTO NEVER HAPPENED? COME ON, G. LETS JUST BE REAL HERE AND STOP WIT ALL THIS NONSENSE.

AND AGAIN, U DANCIN AROUND MY MAIN POINT...I DONT CARE WHO DEVELOPED BESIDES MJ OR HOW. IF MJ WAS LEBRON, HE WOULDA LEFT THE BULLS AFTER 1990, AFTER ALL THEM STRUGGLES IN HIS FIRST CHAPTER....HE WAS PRACTICALLY IN THE SAME SITUATION AS LEBRON...BUT GUESS WHAT, THEY AINT CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH. U KNOW WHO IS? MAGIC, KOBE, BIRD, KAREEM....LEBRON IS A 2ND TIER GREAT, AT BEST.

AS FOR THOSE PHILADELPHIA AND NET TEAMS, THEY WOULD BOTH BE BY FAR THE BEST TEAM IF THEY PLAYED IN THE CURRENT EASTERN CONFERENCE. REALLY, THIS AINT UP FOR DEBATE...ANY1 WILL TELL U THAT THE EAST IS HISTORICALLY BAD. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE BEST 3-4 TEAMS, THERES A DRASTIC FALL-OFF.

AND AGAIN RE-WRITING HISTORY...THERE WAS AT LEATS 1 SEASON I REMEMBER WHERE THE CAVS WERE FAVORED TO WIN IT ALL. RE-WRITING MORE AND MORE..BORIS DID GUARD HIM 1-ON-1, HE DID STRUGGLE IN THE MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, ETC. ETC. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAN WHEN JORDAN USED PAXSON, KERR FOR THE SHOT ETC.



BOTTOM LINE, WE CAN KEEP GOIN ON AND ON, BUT I GOTA GO GET SOME LUNCH CUZZCUZZ.. ITS CLEAR YOU'RE A LEBRON FAN, SO THERE IS NO CHANGING YOUR STANCE. TRUST ME THO

Breh, they made it twice in 8 years and were damn near swept by the Magic one year they choked away their playoff hopes in 2010 and got leap frogged by the Bulls in 2010 in the last month of the season. Bosh was indeed looked as a guy who couldn't lead a team in the playoffs, if you don't believe that you're rewriting history.

LeBron wouldn't leave in 1990, you realize he was in Cleveland for 8 years and had signed an extension with the Cavaliers during that tenure. If LeBron sees Pippen budding into an All-Star player, Phil Jackson, Grant budding into one of the best two way PF's in the league why would he leave. LeBron's situation is not comparable to any other player you don't get that. Also, are we going to act like Kobe wasn't asking for trades in '06? LeBron is going to retire more accomplished than some of those first tier guys and reputable basketball analysts and historians like Bill Simmons already have him in their top 10.

No bro no. Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin's Nets aren't better than this years Cavaliers, LeBron's Heat, Pacers, D-Rose Bulls Celtics of this era, this years Raptors. Those Sixers and Nets teams were awful offensively and had poor depth and were barely 55 win teams yet led their conferences. In the 80's West after the first 3-4 teams it was a drastic fall off, I told you there were 31 win 8th Seeds.

Boris didn't guard him one on one watch the series you're the one rewriting history, the Spurs defended him strategically. Boris ain't a terrible defender he was getting plenty of help, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard spent time on him as well. When were the Cavs favorited OVER the Celtics? In '09 they were favorited with KG injured in the playoffs, LeBron was out of this world in the playoffs and the Cavs still lost.

He struggled at times just like the alpha Bird in '82, LBJ struggled with his shot he still had a good, three 30 point games and two triple doubles ain't bad. Using your logic Kerr and Paxson bailed him out. Again what about overtime, what about game 7, what about basketball not being a game of what ifs.

LeBron fan breh, I'm a basketball fan. ain't gonna change your mind either. This a Kobe stan forum too.

 

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Breh, they made it twice in 8 years and were damn near swept by the Magic one year they choked away their playoff hopes in 2010 and got leap frogged by the Bulls in 2010 in the last month of the season. Bosh was indeed looked as a guy who couldn't lead a team in the playoffs, if you don't believe that you're rewriting history.

NOW U GONE JUST CHANGE WHAT U SAID? "was always seen as guy who put up numbers but could never lead a team to the playoffs in Toronto." LOL....HE DID LEAD THEM TO THE PLAYOFFS, HENCE BEIN A FRANCHISE PLAYER. WHO ELSE HAD A FRANCHISE PLAYER AS A THIRD OPTION?

LeBron wouldn't leave in 1990, you realize he was in Cleveland for 8 years and had signed an extension with the Cavaliers during that tenure. If LeBron sees Pippen budding into an All-Star player, Phil Jackson, Grant budding into one of the best two way PF's in the league why would he leave. LeBron's situation is not comparable to any other player you don't get that. Also, are we going to act like Kobe wasn't asking for trades in '06? LeBron is going to retire more accomplished than some of those first tier guys and reputable basketball analysts and historians like Bill Simmons already have him in their top 10.

LEBRON FANS ALWAYS LIKE TO RE-WRITE HISTORY AND ACT LIKE THEM CAV TEAMS WERENT 60 WIN TEAMS WHO WERE FAVORITES OR ONE OF THE FAVORITES TO WIN...LIKE THE TEAM DIDNT HAVE BEN WALLACE BEFORE HE FELL COMPLETELY OFF, ALL-STAR ILGUASKAS IN HIS PRIME, ANTAWN JAMISON (ALL-STAR), MO WILLIAMS (ALL-STAR)...SOME OF THE BEST TEAM DEFENSE ETC. ETC....THEY COULDA EASILY WON IT ALL IF LEBRON STAYED COURSE. LIKE I SAID, THERE WERE SEASONS IN WHICH THEY WERE FAVORED.

No bro no. Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin's Nets aren't better than this years Cavaliers, LeBron's Heat, Pacers, D-Rose Bulls Celtics of this era, this years Raptors. Those Sixers and Nets teams were awful offensively and had poor depth and were barely 55 win teams yet led their conferences. In the 80's West after the first 3-4 teams it was a drastic fall off, I told you there were 31 win 8th Seeds.

THIS YEARS CAVS WOULD GET SWEPT BY JASON KIDD NETS...80S WEST WAS ON PAR WITH 80S EAST, THERE WAS NO HUGE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN EAST N WEST LIKE THERE IS TODAY.

Boris didn't guard him one on one watch the series you're the one rewriting history, the Spurs defended him strategically. Boris ain't a terrible defender he was getting plenty of help, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard spent time on him as well. When were the Cavs favorited OVER the Celtics? In '09 they were favorited with KG injured in the playoffs, LeBron was out of this world in the playoffs and the Cavs still lost.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....iaws-defense-slowed-lebron-down-i-know-right/

HIS JUMPER WAS SO OFF HE GAVE HIM A 5-FOOT CUSHION, G...I REMEMBER IT LIKE IT WAS TODAY.

He struggled at times just like the alpha Bird in '82, LBJ struggled with his shot he still had a good, three 30 point games and two triple doubles ain't bad. Using your logic Kerr and Paxson bailed him out. Again what about overtime, what about game 7, what about basketball not being a game of what ifs.

NOT THE SAME....LEBRON BITES HIS NAILS WHEN HES NERVOUS. HE CLEARLY BECOMES A DIFFERENT PLAYER UNDER PRESSURE AND IT SHINES. IT'S THE STUFF THAT DONT SHOW IN STATS...BIRD AND MAGIC ARE CUT FROM A DIFFERENT CLOTH, IT'S NOT COMPARABLE.

LeBron fan breh, I'm a basketball fan. ain't gonna change your mind either.

FAIR NUFF

 

[ISO]

NOW U GONE JUST CHANGE WHAT U SAID? "was always seen as guy who put up numbers but could never lead a team to the playoffs in Toronto." LOL....HE DID LEAD THEM TO THE PLAYOFFS, HENCE BEIN A FRANCHISE PLAYER. WHO ELSE HAD A FRANCHISE PLAYER AS A THIRD OPTION?



LEBRON FANS ALWAYS LIKE TO RE-WRITE HISTORY AND ACT LIKE THEM CAV TEAMS WERENT 60 WIN TEAMS WHO WERE FAVORITES OR ONE OF THE FAVORITES TO WIN...LIKE THE TEAM DIDNT HAVE BEN WALLACE BEFORE HE FELL COMPLETELY OFF, ALL-STAR ILGUASKAS IN HIS PRIME, ANTAWN JAMISON (ALL-STAR), MO WILLIAMS (ALL-STAR)...SOME OF THE BEST TEAM DEFENSE ETC. ETC....THEY COULDA EASILY WON IT ALL IF LEBRON STAYED COURSE. LIKE I SAID, THERE WERE SEASONS IN WHICH THEY WERE FAVORED.



THIS YEARS CAVS WOULD GET SWEPT BY JASON KIDD NETS...80S WEST WAS ON PAR WITH 80S EAST, THERE WAS NO HUGE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN EAST N WEST LIKE THERE IS TODAY.



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....iaws-defense-slowed-lebron-down-i-know-right/

HIS JUMPER WAS SO OFF HE GAVE HIM A 5-FOOT CUSHION, G...I REMEMBER IT LIKE IT WAS TODAY.



NOT THE SAME....LEBRON BITES HIS NAILS WHEN HES NERVOUS. HE CLEARLY BECOMES A DIFFERENT PLAYER UNDER PRESSURE AND IT SHINES. IT'S THE STUFF THAT DONT SHOW IN STATS...BIRD AND MAGIC ARE CUT FROM A DIFFERENT CLOTH, IT'S NOT COMPARABLE.



FAIR NUFF

They went to the playoffs twice in 8 years as low seeds and were almost swept by the Magic in one year. That's undoubtedly true that was the narrative on Bosh. Using your logic Bird had a franchise player in Robert Parish as his third option, hell Dennis Johnson was a franchise player in Seattle he has a Finals MVP and he was the fourth option in Boston. Bill Russell had John Havlicek as his third option and he's considered one of the 25 greatest players ever.

Ben Wallace had already fell off dude was a 25 minute per game player what are you saying? Zyndrunas Ilgauskas was an All-Star twice, once before LBJ was in the league and again very early into LeBron's career. Big Z was a serviceable player by the time the Cavs hit their peak ('08-'10) he was reduced to a spot up shooting due to age and injuries. Mo Williams was an elite shooter, he made All-Star once as a replacement player, he was a poor defender and played poorly in the playoffs. Antawn Jamison was past his prime he was a 15/7 player on the Cavaliers. They wasn't gonna win shyt how is he beating any of those Western Conference teams that had a lot more talent? Why do people forget basketball is a team sport? Bro, we over here talking about teams with several HoFers and you over here talking about bu bu but look he had Mo Williams and Big Z.

The only year they were favorited was '09, they were thought of as contenders but not favorites in '09 when KG got injured they were looked at as favorites and LeBron blistered every team in the playoffs and still lost to the Magic. Magic had two gamewinners in the series by Rashard and Turkoglu, shot over 50% from downtown in the series and Dwight dogged them because the Cavs had nobody to guard him. I remember like yesterday, b.

Hell no, these Cavaliers are clearly more talented. The '03 Nets were a 49 win team c'mon now, how you gonna say the Cavaliers would get swept. I can only imagine what other teams from this era like '13 Heat or '08 Celtics would do in the early '00's. How you going to look at Iverson's '01 Sixers and say that team had strong personnel offensively?

Saying the 80s West was in the same tier as the 80s East is laughable.

When did I say LeBron wasn't struggling with his jumper? Watch film Boris Diaw, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard all spent time on him, he did see doubles and help defense (that's what I meant when I said Boris didn't guard him one-on-one) when driving to the basket, they did a great job containing him in transition. The point is he found his jumper and ended with three 30 point games and two triple doubles in a 7 game series against a dynasty team.

 

[Will Ross]

nikkas saying pac not top 5 lol,

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Meanwhile I let the beats rock. My neighbors beat the sheet rock
While I just do the human beat box and spit heat rocks
You overwhelmed like a female that's takin three cocks
It knocks you out your white sweatsocks and classic Reebox
You wanna test your literary skills and catch a speedknot?
Believe not. It's like Chewbac boxin an Ewok
Niqqas like to think that we cool but we are not
And I'ma see your style after school at three o'clock

I can't see any outcome besides you calling my bars wack, but there ya go.

Dude.... heat rocks, sheet rocks, three cocks. What the fukk?! You aren't saying shyt! Talking about youre a writer...Let me guess, and your sister is a model....on instagram. Get this 1994 new York freestyle thee fukk outta here.

Here I am thinking you were about to drop some stic.man/Nas type bars after you called out pac's rhymes ........and you drop that...... That's your best shyt? That's what you spend time on writing???Key locks, reeboks, sweat socks, after school fights at three o clock...........

What Pac lines do you possibly think those are better than?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Dude.... heat rocks, sheet rocks, three cocks. What the fukk?! You aren't saying shyt! Talking about youre a writer...Let me guess, and your sister is a model....on instagram. Get this 1994 new York freestyle thee fukk outta here.

Here I am thinking you were about to drop some stic.man/Nas type bars after you called out pac's rhymes ........and you drop that...... That's your best shyt? That's what you spend time on writing???Key locks, reeboks, sweat socks, after school fights at three o clock...........

What Pac lines do you possibly think those are better than?

After I finish talking to a Redneck about Obama, then talk to a brick wall for a while, after that.. I will go back and forth with a Pac Stan.

Cause Hennesy and Enemy gets doper every time you say it. Even after you say it in 150 different verses.

 

[jilla82]

people gotta remember, these dudes are in their 40s, some pushing 50. so they dont abide by the media-pushed generic top five of pac/big/insert personal favorite/jay/nas.

pac is my goat, but if hes not in somebody's top 5, i dont bat an eye. especially if the person giving the list has already been around the block before i hopped off the porch.

nobody is a lock for top five.

no...its more about Rock being from NYC...and all those old NYC heads are still bitter at the Death Row run