IVS
Superstar
Expect coherent responses that make sense brehs. who are you bozo-es!
Religion/Spirituality Christians come explain this
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levitate
I love you, you know.
But then it is not a true choice. The power of the chooser lies in her ability to actually choose.
If our lives are predetermined, if God knows our "choices" before we make them...then choice is simply an illusion. We are simply actors. There is no true free will, only an illusion of such.
levitate
I love you, you know.
Our lives are predetermined by God yet we have the power to add years to our lives by "living a life pleasing to God"?
Which one is it?
If our lives are predetermined, how do we have the power to effect anything about our lives?
How does a character in a TV show have the ability to change the show's ending?
Menelik II
I wanna see receipts!
God knowing the future means the world is deterministic not probabilistic. Your girlfriend example is probalistic, as there is s small chance of choosing any colour, even if it's close to 0.
Choice is not a choice if it's 100% chance you make choice A, in fact A is the only choice you can make,to get to the future that god knows. You have to pick A to make the universe consistent - so you don't have "free will". All your choices are set in stone, ones path is fixed. Which means some people are born destined to hell.
MarloStanTrill
Banned
So my sister is an atheist. And my aunt can't stand that shiit. I bring it up to her all the time just to see her get pissed and get a good laugh
But anyway my sister was recently in a bad accident. Her car was totaled and it looked like it was dropped from a 1000 story building. But lucky all she had was a fractured bone in her arm.
So my aunt of course saw this as an opportunity to "convert"
Aunt: "Now you can't tell me God doesn't exist. He saved you"
Sister: "No. I saved myself by swerving at the last minute."
Bruh my aunt just started crying
So Christians I ask you, how do y'all react when your "See, God does exist" moments don't work?
dont know why u singling out christians if u believe in ANY religion you're dumb
Texasdymond
Banned
I trust that God will show himself to that person if they are truly seeking him. And I leave it at that. Only God can change people's hearts.
IVS
Superstar
SMH! She is talking a whole lot of hooey! God has no idea of time, so what future are you talking about. See the first problem is you're trying to have God operate from a human perspective which is wrong! Talking about the future and god having morals. STOP IT!
LOL! Now he is literally misquoting what I said, so he can gloss over the point. I love how you people argue. It's not even fun but its hilarious."Your beliefs don't make sense to me, so we should kill you!"
Dude, you sound like an ISIS stan.
You're no better than Dylann Roof.
Look at this way. I don't believe that God sits in Heaven and says "ok here's Jane Doe, I choose her to die in a drug overdose at 23 years old".
A person is born and in life they will have millions of paths that will lead to millions of different outcomes. God knows every path. Omniscient. If that person chooses to give their life to God, many destructive paths are erased because now they are being guided down the right path by God. Now if its God perfect will, that person can still die in a car accident or just of old age. The important thing is that they were saved, not how or when they died.
God can add favor to your life if He so chooses but only if you live right. A sinner cannot add days unto his life. The life of righteous man is blessed and his days are plenty.
So what I'm saying is, when we are born we have a certain amount of days. When we give our life to God, those days can and most certainly will be multiplied because now that we live for God, we are no longer on a destructive path in sin. So living holy prevents you from making dumb choices that could ultimately lead to your death anyway.
NoChillJones
Banned
So my sister is an atheist. And my aunt can't stand that shiit. I bring it up to her all the time just to see her get pissed and get a good laugh
But anyway my sister was recently in a bad accident. Her car was totaled and it looked like it was dropped from a 1000 story building. But lucky all she had was a fractured bone in her arm.
So my aunt of course saw this as an opportunity to "convert"
Aunt: "Now you can't tell me God doesn't exist. He saved you"
Sister: "No. I saved myself by swerving at the last minute."
Bruh my aunt just started crying
So Christians I ask you, how do y'all react when your "See, God does exist" moments don't work?
A man get burned on 75% of his body, but survives, has to breath out of a tube and can't go outside like regular people. And Christians will say, God spared his life...praise God.......I will look at that man's life and say if God was all the great, he wouldn't have got burned the fukk up in the first place. He was cursed to be kept alive in an amazing amount of pain the rest of his life........This is my logic vs the Christian logic........they are happy to live through pain because they believe it brings them closer to God. I curse pain......cause I understand what it is.......its pain.......
