Christians, the enslaver of your ancestors prayed to the same god you're praying to today.

[The Realist Perspective]

Can you flesh this out. I wanna make sure i understand your ?'s

OP said: "They interpreted and manipulated religious texts to support the institution of slavery."

So according to op, the slavemasters religion is manipulation of christianity. So that should tell you its not the same God. But a perversion of it. So no, we dont pray to the same God.

That would be like telling that his interpretation of hip hop is the same as Sexxy Red. I'm sure he would tell you that aint hip hop.

I said:

When does the god of Abraham ever change in their worship? Their praise and worship of Jesus? Which god is it then?

Both the old and new testament, whether you believe in YHWH being the only true god, Jesus being the only true god, some type of trinity thing, whatever. Both books condone slavery. So which god or book are we talking about that makes a perversion of its scriptures?

I argue that Christianity / the bible is a tool in itself for manipulation and colonialism. It began with that. Supposedly a god came to Abraham and told him a land he has never been to, belongs to his descendants. Therefore, much much later, his descendants, went into the "promised land" and laid waste to men, women, children, and even livestock.

We see what so called Israel is doing now, that's because they are using the bible as a tool of manipulation in convincing the western world that that piece of land belongs to them, here look in the bible, it says so.
This country being majority Christian, lead by majority Christian believers, leads to Christian Zionism, more than happy to carry out these things, believing again in the bible where it says those that side and assist Israel will be blessed by God.

So ultimately to be more clear, what part of the bible was made a perversion of? It's all in the playbook. The manipulation piece lies more so in the removal of certain scriptures and books from the bible.

 

[chineebai]

Just seeing how religion today is being used, mostly as a tool for control, tax avoidance, blasphemous behavior, intertwined with politics and power, war, etc, it’s really how it’s always been used historically like the crusades. For most people religion is something they follow, probably not religiously, though conveniently. But it’s truly a tool for the powerful to take advantage of, as it is currently and historically.

 

[MMS]

I said:

When does the god of Abraham ever change in their worship? Their praise and worship of Jesus? Which god is it then?

Both the old and new testament, whether you believe in YHWH being the only true god, Jesus being the only true god, some type of trinity thing, whatever. Both books condone slavery. So which god or book are we talking about that makes a perversion of its scriptures?

I argue that Christianity / the bible is a tool in itself for manipulation and colonialism. It began with that. Supposedly a god came to Abraham and told him a land he has never been to, belongs to his descendants. Therefore, much much later, his descendants, went into the "promised land" and laid waste to men, women, children, and even livestock.

We see what so called Israel is doing now, that's because they are using the bible as a tool of manipulation in convincing the western world that that piece of land belongs to them, here look in the bible, it says so.
This country being majority Christian, lead by majority Christian believers, leads to Christian Zionism, more than happy to carry out these things, believing again in the bible where it says those that side and assist Israel will be blessed by God.

So ultimately to be more clear, what part of the bible was made a perversion of? It's all in the playbook. The manipulation piece lies more so in the removal of certain scriptures and books from the bible.

The amazing name Noah: meaning and etymology

An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name Noah. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names Noah is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.

www.abarim-publications.com

Genesis 9:22-26

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

and Ham was the father of Canaan the terms Ham (Black), Shem (Name) and Japheth (To Grow)

could be argued as servants

it also says that The LORD God caused "to grow" out of the red earth (Ha-Adamma) everything that was pleasant to the sight, and good for food.

Genesis 2:9 Hebrew Text Analysis

lack of understanding how God creates is why people are confused.

 

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[3:30]

I said:

When does the god of Abraham ever change in their worship? Their praise and worship of Jesus? Which god is it then?

Both the old and new testament, whether you believe in YHWH being the only true god, Jesus being the only true god, some type of trinity thing, whatever. Both books condone slavery. So which god or book are we talking about that makes a perversion of its scriptures?

I argue that Christianity / the bible is a tool in itself for manipulation and colonialism. It began with that. Supposedly a god came to Abraham and told him a land he has never been to, belongs to his descendants. Therefore, much much later, his descendants, went into the "promised land" and laid waste to men, women, children, and even livestock.

We see what so called Israel is doing now, that's because they are using the bible as a tool of manipulation in convincing the western world that that piece of land belongs to them, here look in the bible, it says so.
This country being majority Christian, lead by majority Christian believers, leads to Christian Zionism, more than happy to carry out these things, believing again in the bible where it says those that side and assist Israel will be blessed by God.

So ultimately to be more clear, what part of the bible was made a perversion of? It's all in the playbook. The manipulation piece lies more so in the removal of certain scriptures and books from the bible.

This is common

Most people like yourself confuse the Bible as a religion

It's the history of a Nation written down by its people ..

Start there

 

[3:30]

The amazing name Noah: meaning and etymology

An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name Noah. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names Noah is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.

www.abarim-publications.com

Genesis 9:22-26



and Ham was the father of Canaan the terms Ham (Black), Shem (Name) and Japheth (To Grow)

could be argued as servants

it also says that The LORD God caused "to grow" out of the red earth (Ha-Adamma) everything that was pleasant to the sight, and good for food.

Genesis 2:9 Hebrew Text Analysis

lack of understanding how God creates is why people are confused.

Can you clarify what you mean as far as those words meaning what they do?

 

[valet]

I said:

When does the god of Abraham ever change in their worship? Their praise and worship of Jesus? Which god is it then?

Both the old and new testament, whether you believe in YHWH being the only true god, Jesus being the only true god, some type of trinity thing, whatever. Both books condone slavery. So which god or book are we talking about that makes a perversion of its scriptures?

I argue that Christianity / the bible is a tool in itself for manipulation and colonialism. It began with that. Supposedly a god came to Abraham and told him a land he has never been to, belongs to his descendants. Therefore, much much later, his descendants, went into the "promised land" and laid waste to men, women, children, and even livestock.

We see what so called Israel is doing now, that's because they are using the bible as a tool of manipulation in convincing the western world that that piece of land belongs to them, here look in the bible, it says so.
This country being majority Christian, lead by majority Christian believers, leads to Christian Zionism, more than happy to carry out these things, believing again in the bible where it says those that side and assist Israel will be blessed by God.

So ultimately to be more clear, what part of the bible was made a perversion of? It's all in the playbook. The manipulation piece lies more so in the removal of certain scriptures and books from the bible.

Gotcha. Well, Christians believe God has always been plural (Genesis 1:26, let us make man in our image). And Jesus was the member of the God head who became human.

As far as slavery, in the sense of American chattel slavery. I dont agree that the bible condones it.

Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man and selleth him, or if he shall be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Now, as far as America and current situation with Israel. Christians are divided. But I'll say this. The Israelitles staying in the promise land was conditional on them obeying YHWH. When they disobeyed Israel always had someone takeover (Assyrians for example.,) Being that many Jews are non-religious, how does that fit?

Some Christians as well believe in replacement theology. That Jews are no longer God chosen people. But those who put their faith on Christ are God's chosen people.

So bottom line, it's complicated. Certainly alot Christians believe that Jews are God's chosen people, (even though they reject the Messiah) and we should behind Israel. But there are some Christians who don't believe the Bible teaches that.

Lastly, as far as the Israelites taking over the Promise Land in the OT. If a person doesn't believe in the authority of the Bible and God didn't really say it. I'm it sure what can be done to convince them.

 

[MMS]

Can you clarify what you mean as far as those words meaning what they do?

the egyptians regarded canaan (judah) as a land of infertility, death and/or confusion

so it could be argued that Abraham is an attempt to fix that country all the way down to Moses.

the problem is that you have an endless number of people all seeking the same route, not asking why. Secondly it is also a test to see if a person has freewill despite what they say.

The amazing name YHWH: meaning and etymology

An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name YHWH. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names YHWH is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.

www.abarim-publications.com

 

[The Realist Perspective]

The amazing name Noah: meaning and etymology

An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name Noah. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names Noah is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.

www.abarim-publications.com

Genesis 9:22-26



and Ham was the father of Canaan the terms Ham (Black), Shem (Name) and Japheth (To Grow)

could be argued as servants

it also says that The LORD God caused "to grow" out of the red earth (Ha-Adamma) everything that was pleasant to the sight, and good for food.

Genesis 2:9 Hebrew Text Analysis

lack of understanding how God creates is why people are confused.

So if I get you right, your overall message seems to be using biblical texts to argue that certain groups of people were divinely ordained to have specific roles, such as servitude, based on the curse of Canaan and the meanings of their ancestral names.

Again, how does this make sense for black people to follow this religion? Was this supposed to make it more appealing? To justify what we've gone through?

If Noah is on that type of time, and if YHWH cosigned off on it and made it so, then I whole heartedly reject him as my god. He's clearly not for me and my people.

 

[MMS]

So if I get you right, your overall message seems to be using biblical texts to argue that certain groups of people were divinely ordained to have specific roles, such as servitude, based on the curse of Canaan and the meanings of their ancestral names.

Again, how does this make sense for black people to follow this religion? Was this supposed to make it more appealing? To justify what we've gone through?

If Noah is on that type of time, and if YHWH cosigned off on it and made it so, then I whole heartedly reject him as my god. He's clearly not for me and my people.

what have you done for your "people?" suppose you had such power

for context on someone from JUDAH

Labaya - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Amarna letters give an incomplete look at Labaya's career. In the first of Labaya's letters thus far discovered (EA 252), he defends himself to the Pharaoh against complaints of other city rulers about him, for example, the complaint that he has hired mercenaries from among the Habiru. Labaya further admitted to having invaded Gezer and insulting its king Milkilu. He denied any knowledge of his son's alleged collaboration with the Habiru:

To the king, my lord and my Sun: Thus Lab'ayu, your servant and the dirt on which you tread. I fall at the feet of the king, my lord and my Sun, 7 times and 7 times. I have obeyed the orders that the king wrote to me. Who am I that the king should lose his land on account of me? The fact is that I am a loyal servant of the king! I am not a rebel and I am not delinquent in duty. I have not held back my payments of tribute; I have not held back anything requested by my commissioner. He denounces me unjustly, but the king, my Lord, does not examine my (alleged) act of rebellion. Moreover, my act of rebellion is this: when I entered Gazru-(Gezer), I kept on saying, "Everything of mine the king takes, but where is what belongs to Milkilu? " I know the actions of Milkilu against me! Moreover, the king wrote for my son. I did not know that my son was consorting with the 'Apiru. I hereby hand him over to Addaya-(commissioner). Moreover, how, if the king wrote for my wife, how could I hold her back? How, if the king wrote to me, "Put a bronze dagger into your heart and die", how could I not execute the order of the king?

Genesis 4:23-24

23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

 

[Rozay Oro]

How was it spread?

Primarily the apostles going to different areas and planting Churches until they were martyred.

St Mark the Apostle - Africa
St Djan the Eunuch Ethiopian - Africa

Christianity in Africa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If you nikkas want to reject Christ, at least look into history not just make up false narratives.

 

[Rozay Oro]

You are truly retarded. That has zero to do with anything.

Let me break it down for you real simple, because you clearly are a simple being.

I don't care if it predates colonialism or not you simple fakkit. It is questionable for Black Americans to pray to and worship the same God as those who actively enslaved and oppressed them, especially considering the current challenges and injustices faced by the Black community. Oh, but the religion / god / beliefs predated this! Is it clear why this doesn't matter you complete idiot? That god has clearly abandoned your people. That god has clearly shown inaction, inadequacy, in helping the African American people descending from slavery. Is it clear to you now? Or are you still going to tell me it makes sense to worship a god that doesn't help a devout people, just because it predates the atrocities carried out against them? You got one more chance, moron. One more.

You’re an emotional retard. Blaming God for the evil men do. Do you blame God too for all the selfish and evil things you’ve done in your life?

 

[Rozay Oro]

The gentiles.

And that is an accurate reading of the bible. The bible literally cosigns, and gives rules to adhere to concerning slaves. I mentioned these before but here they are again:

• Exodus 21:2-6 (NIV):
  • Verse: "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free. But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life."
• Leviticus 25:44-46 (NIV):
  • Verse: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them, you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
• Deuteronomy 15:12-15 (NIV):
  • Verse: "If any of your people—Hebrew men or women—sell themselves to you and serve you six years, in the seventh year, you must let them go free. And when you release them, do not send them away empty-handed. Supply them liberally from your flock, your threshing floor, and your winepress. Give to them as the Lord your God has blessed you. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today."
• Exodus 21:20-21 (NIV):
  • Verse: "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."

People keep bringing up Christianity supposedly existed in Africa prior to Europe...who cares! Abraham supposedly lived around 4,000 years ago. What about the African civilizations that have existed way prior to him being born? Ancient Egypt of course, Nabta Playa, Ta-Seti...these people had culture, god's, etc., that predate Abraham, so why is his god to cling to and follow? Him and his god is new..

In the Hebrew culture you would be bondservant for 6 years if you couldn’t pay a debt.

Afterwards if you’re sure you would be struggling out here in the world, you could choose to be a permanent servant. It’s not slavery like the transatlantic slave trade.

This is what happens when you cherry pick.
Exodus 21:2
If you buy a Hebrew servant, he shall serve six years; and in the seventh he shall go out free and pay nothing.

Read the whole chapter idiot

 

[3:30]

the egyptians regarded canaan (judah) as a land of infertility, death and/or confusion

so it could be argued that Abraham is an attempt to fix that country all the way down to Moses.

the problem is that you have an endless number of people all seeking the same route, not asking why. Secondly it is also a test to see if a person has freewill despite what they say.

The amazing name YHWH: meaning and etymology

An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name YHWH. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names YHWH is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.

www.abarim-publications.com

Well if israelite doctrine was the first one , which during that time the first writing tool was created

They would be the breakers of their own original law..

Which means they would have to have punished themselves,

That's where YHWH comes in ..

.. literally how we know right form wrong

And also , the most high God is racist

 

[RaspberryFitted]

@MMS what is your overall stance on Christianity? Your post as well as websites like this

Historical Video List

Have definitely shifted my view on a more advanced perspective