CJ McCollum on KD's decision: "I would rather get swept than do anything of that nature"

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There's also something to be said for how American culture has changed in the past 30 years with respect to how we view living in "non-major" cities.

It wasn't so important to live on the coasts/ in a major city before. Economic opportunity was more spread out across the country - sure there were the bright lights of NYC and LA, but aside from that, there wasn't nearly as much regional inequality as there is now.

Small markets are at a much greater disadvantage now than ever before - US economic growth is concentrated in just a few regions of the country, with the rest of it more or less either stagnating or slowly eroding (places like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, Indiana, etc.).

With the rise of genuine, unrestricted free agency, even with the higher income taxes in desirable locations, players know that they can do extremely well for themselves off the court in those locations - more than making up for what they lose to taxation PLUS enjoying all the advantages of being somewhere where everybody wants to live.

Additionally, you have to think about what sort of management/coaching staff smaller markets are able to attract to help draft and develop good players. In order to attract front office talent on the level of the larger cities, they end up having to seriously overpay - putting further strain on teams that are already at a disadvantage due to their location. There's no way that the Indiana Pacers, no matter how beloved they might be, can charge what the Knicks or the Celtics or the Lakers are able to charge for season tickets - irrespective of team performance. There's just more people, and more money, chasing those seats in those locations than there are in Indianapolis.

I don't know if the NBA has any plans for how to deal with this moving forward, but it seems like it'd be a really important thing to be concerned about.

Great post, thanks for sharing your opinion

Do you feel that, the fact that social media and changing media landscape means endorsements and marketing isn't big market specific anymore, makes up (somewhat) for the problem you raised?
 

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That’s all it is. These LeBron fans want him to be stuck playing with a guy who couldn’t even lead PG, Adams and Melo past a team led by a rookie, and has yet to progress past the first round since KD departed

They wanted him to be stuck playing in the West on rosters which consisted of the likes of Andre Roberson, Nick Collison, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones, Hasheem Thabeet, et al., while LeBron hid out in the East and formed his own stacked super-teams.

They’re just bitter that KD’s put an end LeBron’s title run and are lashing out.

Nothing to do with that

I don't give a fukking about the Bron stans and their agenda, but this has NOTHING to do with him having to stay at OKC but more so who he went to

I find it so bizarre and surreal that so many people accept this bytch ass behaviour
 

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Swaggy P also tweeted he would Never play with the Warriors years back. Moral to the story- People don't know what they would do until they are in the same situation. Swaggy p played, got the ring, and is loving it. People have to do what's right for them at the end of the day.
 

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But you used past the prime, end of their career examples to justify a top 3 player in his prime joining one of the greatest teams ever that just beat him, down 3-1

:heh:

Can't defend p*ssy shyt
You're not the type to learn from other people's mistakes huh?
 

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Great post, thanks for sharing your opinion

Do you feel that, the fact that social media and changing media landscape means endorsements and marketing isn't big market specific anymore, makes up (somewhat) for the problem you raised?
Social media and the changing media landscape somewhat help as far as players having endorsement/other off-the-court opportunities.

But I don't think it makes up for the accelerating economic gap between the largest metro areas in the country and the stagnating/declining interior.

Here's how I think about the factors that put smaller markets at a greater structural disadvantage than ever before:

1) Small markets experience economic stagnation / decline relative to larger markets - this is something new in the US, as for most of the country's history, growth rates were roughly equal across geographic areas (with some exceptions like Montana or Wyoming, etc.)

2) Small market teams are unable to generate gate, local TV and arena sponsorship revenue anywhere near the levels their larger-market competitors. This gap continues to grow. Additionally, because of the lower earnings of smaller-market team fans, advertisers aren't willing to pay nearly as much to reach them, compounding the problem.

3) The lack of revenue means that small-market teams are unable to invest as heavily in practice facilities, amenities, etc. that would make them more attractive destinations for free agents.

4) The relative lack of economic opportunities hamstrings small-market teams' ability to recruit high level front office talent (it isn't just about the GM and the head coach - you've got analytics staff, assistant coaches, etc. who all have spouses that also work, and will be less likely to find employment comparable to their large-market options in a smaller market).

5) In order to make up for the gap in attractiveness between large and small markets, small-market teams are forced to overpay for quality front-office talent - or pay market average salaries to well below average front office staffs.

6) Now the small-market teams are in a bind - they've got less revenue to work with than their larger-market competitors, while being forced to pay more for front-office talent equivalent to their large-market competitors.

7) To add to the financial bind they're in, smaller markets are by default unattractive destinations for free agents. To make up for that, they either have to overpay free agents, or rely on their (already usually inferior due to financial constraints) front office talent to continually outperform their peers in the draft.

8) If a small-market team has successfully navigated all of the structural advantages laid out above, and been able to draft high-level basketball talent, they now face the spectre of that talent jumping ship as soon as possible to take advantage of large-market off-the-court opportunities or being forced to offer the supermax contract to players who might not necessarily warrant it (which severely constrains their roster flexibility).

9) Let's not forget the impact of the luxury tax (because of the NBA's soft cap) on all of this. The most profitable NBA team last season I believe was the Boston Celtics (per Brian Windhorst on one of his podcasts - someone leaked NBA internal financials to him). They weren't in the luxury tax, and yet even with all of their structural advantages (preferable destination for free agents, high-income, high-economic growth region, lots of luxury suite revenue because of local corporate headquarters, etc.), they did something like $29 million in profits. The minute you enter luxury tax territory, whatever profits were being generated by the franchise pretty much evaporate...and yet going into the tax is probably the only way a small-market franchise can keep good players its drafted (remember the OKC Blunder...).

I don't see any of this as good for the competitive balance of the league...moving to a hard cap would help some, but ultimately the NBA may have to look into some sort of "gross-up" (read: additional payment that comes from large-market franchises) that doesn't count against the cap for players willing to play in smaller markets. That's the only way I can think of right now to help close the widening gap.
 

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The Heat were a playoff team in 2010:comeon:
Yeah and that team the next year wasn't just a playoff team that added Bron and Bosh though They lost their 2nd highest scorer from that team in Beasley(who was a promising 2nd year player at that time with stats curiously similar to 2nd year Jaylen Brown's numbers this year)

That 2011 team was not just piling Bosh and James onto a playoff team. They had to be reworked
 

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Exactly.... cats sitting over here on the fake high horses like “well if players like KD and Bron were real.... they should’ve stayed on their teams and continue to waste their careers away” type shyt and pretend that they’d really respect that.

When the truth is.... if Bron would’ve never left Cavs and KD was still on OKC and neither had rings now but still putting up same numbers, no one would respect them like that.

Further proof, as great as Barkley was he’s the fukking punchline of jokes and poster boy of talented NBA superstar that NEVER won.

These cats see that shyt and no one wanna end up like Barkley, Malone, Miller, and a bunch of other ringless legends

Martha

This is true

:manny:
 

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Exactly.... cats sitting over here on the fake high horses like “well if players like KD and Bron were real.... they should’ve stayed on their teams and continue to waste their careers away” type shyt and pretend that they’d really respect that.

When the truth is.... if Bron would’ve never left Cavs and KD was still on OKC and neither had rings now but still putting up same numbers, no one would respect them like that.

Further proof, as great as Barkley was he’s the fukking punchline of jokes and poster boy of talented NBA superstar that NEVER won.

These cats see that shyt and no one wanna end up like Barkley, Malone, Miller, and a bunch of other ringless legends

Martha

This narrative that KD couldn't win any where else is absurd. I really can't believe heads are equating BRON leaving a disfunctional, historically bad franchise in Cleveland to an OKC franchise that was on the rise and was a few posessions away from being in the finals, in which they wouldve been favored to win. When KD and Russ was stomping GSW being up 3-1 many believed they looked like the best NBA team in the league.


It's crazy seeing all the revisionist history going on to justify KDs hoe move. This coming from a KD stan pre GSW.
 

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Yeah and that team the next year wasn't just a playoff team that added Bron and Bosh though They lost their 2nd highest scorer from that team in Beasley(who was a promising 2nd year player at that time with stats curiously similar to 2nd year Jaylen Brown's numbers this year)

That 2011 team was not just piling Bosh and James onto a playoff team. They had to be reworked
Let these guys tell it and the Heat was just coming off a championship run with D Wade winning back to back MVPs and the Heat winning 70+ games before BRON got there. The heat was getting compared to the 90s Bulls and heads were debating if Wade>MJ before bosh and BRON showed up.
 

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Brooklyn keeps on taking it.
So basically..... he saying he don’t want or have it in his heart to be a champion.

I’m not saying I agree with what KD did...... but I don’t disagree either.

KD will be remembered as a champ and CJ will be remembered as Rex Chapman

Martha
A champ with an asterisk. KD will never be remembered as just a “champ”!
 

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Brooklyn keeps on taking it.
'A real man' bla bla bla

A 'real man' would also put himself in the best position to achieve success

Only FACTS is that hes gonna be remembered as a Finals MVP (Potentially back to back) , a CHAMPION , one of the greatest scorers ever and a first ballot HOFer.

Frauds talking about what a 'real man' is yet they're still in their feelings because a man put himself in the best position to win. Insanity.

So basically the lady who sucks the supervisors dikk to get a better position is a winner vs an employee who has to work years and years to get to that same position?


Lmao sorry sir but most people don’t respect the easy way out!
 

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Brooklyn keeps on taking it.
The funny thing about Golden State is that once tbehvlo
History doesnt care about Kobe's 15ppg in the 2000 series. They remember the ring
History doesnt care about Boston teaming up in '07. They remember the ring
History doesnt care about Detroit losing in the Finals then getting 25 ppg Aguirre. They remember the b2b championships
History doesnt care about the Lakers winning the championship in '82 then getting Worthy in the draft
Nobody cares about Drexler joining the Rockets after they won a ring
Nobody cares about Wades 2 rings as sidekick to Bron. They call him a 3x Champ
These narratives never stick breh, let it go. KD will be remembered as a 2x champ and the best player on the team. If he runs up 4 or 5 with Golden State, he will be challenging for a spot on basketballs Mt Rushmore
4x Champ
2-3x fMVP
1x reg season MVP
4x Scoring Champ
27-30k points when he retires
Nothing you type here is stopping that. Bron needs to go west to stop this from happening. No eastern team plus Bron can beat the Warriors, unless its Boston, and I dont see that happening

Well Lebrons next move next season will prevent KD from getting anywhere near rushmore. We all know KD can only win when his competitors are far below him!
 

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This thread is well seasoned......


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The funny thing about Golden State is that once tbehvlo


Well Lebrons next move next season will prevent KD from getting anywhere near rushmore. We all know KD can only win when his competitors are far below him!
Shut yo bytch ass up, there isnt a single move LeBron can make this summer to prevent Golden State from competiting for a chip. Emotional ass mothafukka
 
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