"'Clair Obscur: Expedition 33' utterly destroys Square Enix's gaslighting over Final Fantasy turn-based combat"-Windows Central

[Fatboi1]

Final Fantasy VII shouldn't have been 3 games long. They made a gamble and it blew up in their face. Rebirth is longer than the entirety of the original game just on it's own. They put off remaking Final Fantasy VII for years when in better times of the series fans begged for it. They even went up on stage and trolled fans with a port of the original game.

They drove this series into the ground and then in a break glass in case of emergency moment decided to remake Final Fantasy VII but milk it for all it's worth. Rebirth's suffering for their incompetence in managing the series. The series is just not what it once was to the point they can put out a classic game (if a bit long) and still be met with a level of indifference overall. Rebirth should be well past 10-15 million copies sold and if it was you better believe we'd have heard about it already.

This makes no sense, what are you guys even talking about? How could Rebirth "should be" at 10-15 million sold when that's literally never been a short term achievement for FF?

FFXIII which was a successful game took EIGHT years to sell 7 million copies. Edit: That was the "series" and not just FFXIII alone, that includes FFXIII-2 and Lightning Returns.


WTF is one game on one platform supposed to look like? Take a look at the "best selling" FF games and take note of how many YEARS it took.

You guys are going "Oh but FF isn't selling like it used to" while ignoring that those big numbers are literally from YEARS away from release date.

Even FFXV which sold well took six years to sell that number across 3 platforms. Rebirth isn't going to defy history and suddenly sell all of that on one platform in a year.

The original FF games never sold this much on multiple platforms back then either. You guys are so loud and wrong in this thread lol. Final Fantasy anything never have sold 10 million in even 3 years. Even FFX which is considered the best selling FF game sold that in TWENTY years. You guys need a wake up call.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

This makes no sense, what are you guys even talking about? How could Rebirth "should be" at 10-15 million sold when that's literally never been a short term achievement for FF?

FFXIII which was a successful game took EIGHT years to sell 7 million copies?
WTF is one game on one platform supposed to look like? Take a look at the "best selling" FF games and take note of how many YEARS it took. You guys are going "Oh but FF isn't selling like it used to" while ignoring that those big numbers are literally from YEARS away from release date. Even FFXV which sold well took six years to sell that number across 3 platforms. Rebirth isn't going to defy history and suddenly sell all of that on one platform in a year.

The original FF games never sold this much on multiple platforms back then either. You guys are so loud and wrong.

FF can’t make turn based games cause they need to sell a bajillion copies FF was never supposed to sell a bunch of copies.

Sony stans

 

[Illuminatos]

Final Fantasy VII shouldn't have been 3 games long. They made a gamble and it blew up in their face. Rebirth is longer than the entirety of the original game just on it's own. They put off remaking Final Fantasy VII for years when in better times of the series fans begged for it. They even went up on stage and trolled fans with a port of the original game.

They drove this series into the ground and then in a break glass in case of emergency moment decided to remake Final Fantasy VII but milk it for all it's worth. Rebirth's suffering for their incompetence in managing the series. The series is just not what it once was to the point they can put out a classic game (if a bit long) and still be met with a level of indifference overall. Rebirth should be well past 10-15 million copies sold and if it was you better believe we'd have heard about it already.

There’s no way they could make a modern AAA quality remake of the OG in 1 game unless you just wanted a 1:1 remake with better graphics. They’re expanding the world and lore and people are complaining?

 

[Fatboi1]

FF can’t make turn based games cause they need to sell a bajillion copies FF was never supposed to sell a bunch of copies.

Sony stans

The bolded has nothing to do with the latter. Square Enix could make a AAA turn based game is not the same discussion as you guys trying to use Clair to say that it's better than FF games and that Rebirth didn't sell a katrillion copies in one month on the Dreamcast.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The bolded has nothing to do with the latter. Square Enix could make a AAA turn based game is not the same discussion as you guys trying to use Clair to say that it's better than FF games and that Rebirth didn't sell a katrillion copies in one month on the Dreamcast.

Nobody is even arguing about claire being better.

It is more a proof a concept that “classic” FF game design could work in todays market,

WTF is wrong with yall

 

[Fatboi1]

There’s no way they could make a modern AAA quality remake of the OG in 1 game unless you just wanted a 1:1 remake with better graphics. They’re expanding the world and lore and people are complaining?

I'm starting to think there's a subset of gamers online who chronically like to just complain about shyt to the point where I don't see how they even enjoy games. I can guarantee if FF was a rushed remake with cut content and missing shyt from the OG games these nikkas would've been like "Square ruined FF7 remake" and would've brought up all the "minigames" and missing parts of the game like how RE3 remake was shytted on.

 

[Fatboi1]

Nobody is even arguing about claire being better.

It is more a proof a concept that “classic” FF game design could work in todays market,

WTF is wrong with yall

That's what the thread was started about dummy. YOU GUYS came in with this "oh man Rebirth sold 3.5 million(completely wrong)" while ignoring how the games typically sell in the past. NO FF game has ever sold freaking 10 million in one year. Show me a FF game that sold 10 million in one year. Even FFX which is the best selling FF game sold 5 million WW in one year, meanwhile you have XVI selling 3 million in days lol and that's supposed to be a failure. You guys are dumb. I show proof of SE always talking about "expectations not met" and you guys just go on babbling about some other shyt.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

That's what the thread was started about dummy. YOU GUYS came in with this "oh man Rebirth sold 3.5 million(completely wrong)" while ignoring how the games typically sell in the past. NO FF game has ever sold freaking 10 million in one year. Show me a FF game that sold 10 million in one year. Even FFX which is the best selling FF game sold 5 million WW in one year, meanwhile you have XVI selling 3 million in days lol and that's supposed to be a failure. You guys are dumb. I show proof of SE always talking about "expectations not met" and you guys just go on babbling about some other shyt.

No it’s not. Read the article.

Square said a game like this could not work artistically or commercially which is why they made the changes to the series they made.

Clair obscure proves them wrong.
Their declining sales proves them wrong

The only reason sales are brought up is cause people claim a turn based game can’t sell a lot of copies.

 

[Fatboi1]

No it’s not. Read the article.

Square said a game like this could not work artistically or commercially which is why they made the changes to the series they made.

Clair obscure proves them wrong.
Their declining sales proves them wrong

The only reason sales are brought up is cause people claim a turn based game can’t sell a lot of copies.

Clair Obscur has sold 1 million copies in 3 days across 3 platforms.

FFXVI sold over 3 million in a week on one platform.
We don't know the official numbers for Rebirth either.


How did they prove them wrong?
There's a whole lotta conjecture going on here.

You think if a FF game came out on 3 platforms and sold 1 million copies in 3 days that would be seen as a success? Meanwhile 3 million in one week on one console is considered a failure?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Clair Obscur has sold 1 million copies in 3 days across 3 platforms.

FFXVI sold over 3 million in a week on one platform.
We don't know the official numbers for Rebirth either.


How did they prove them wrong?
There's a whole lotta conjecture going on here.

You think If a FF game came out on 3 platforms and sold 1 million copies in 3 days that would be seen as a success? Meanwhile 3 million in one week on one console is considered a failure?

See. You the one wanna talk about sales.

So when i say FF sales are in decline while they’ve made all these changes that are supposed to increase sales you get mad and post a bunch of cac tweets

Claire obscure doesn’t have anywhere near the brand recognition, advertising power, industry connections, etc, etc, but they also don’t have the budget. 1 million in a couple days is a great success for them. Also the game is on gamepass which we know is a large portion of people who would have purchased the game.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

People want turned based role playing games. Square Enix just doesn't have it in them to put an interesting spin on a AAA turned based game anymore.

They literally dropped Octopath Traveller 2 like a 2 years ago. So this statement doesn't make sense. They could've easily did that same battle system in a triple aaa game. They just have higher aspirations for their titles as even the most accomplished, critically amazing turned based rpgs rarely are cracking the sales threshold that they're expecting their titles to have.

 

[Fatboi1]

See. You the one wanna talk about sales.

So when i say FF sales are in decline while they’ve made all these changes that are supposed to increase sales you get mad and post a bunch of cac tweets

Claire obscure doesn’t have anywhere near the brand recognition, advertising power, industry connections, etc, etc, but they also don’t have the budget. 1 million in a couple days is a great success for them. Also the game is on gamepass which we know is a large portion of people who would have purchased the game.

Within what context?

FFX which is considered the best selling FF game, sold 20 million after 20 years.

FFXV which came out last gen has sold 10 million, half of that number in 6 years.

FFXVI was said to sell over 3 million in one week on one platform.

FFVII Remake has sold 7 million lifetime since 2020 so that's in 3 years.

We don't know Rebirth's sales numbers, it's just people going "Oh but they didn't say anything so it means it flopped." and then incorrectly pointing to a sales report where they misinterpret their HD games subsection not meeting expectations and attribute that to Rebirth/XVI specifically when the "HD games" also include Foamstars, Visions of Mana, Dragon Quest spinoffs etc.

If you compare the years to which some of the past FF games have been said to sell X amount of copies, you'll notice they're not that different. What people are doing are comparing debut numbers from Japan and incomplete data(e.g. no digital data) and making a conclusion that the games are selling terribly now. FF games have long legs, they don't just stop selling after 1 month. Only way to know if these games "flopped" is if by 2027, Rebirth sells less than 7 million which Remake did on PS4.

"Success" is relative to cost and profits point blank. Nobody knows how much the games cost to make and how much it's profited from that.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Square did fine with the new FF combat. It’s their storytelling and writing that has fallen off. Clair reminds me of when square was still writing interesting and engaging stories

 

[Fillerguy]

fukk that. Yall gaslighting COE33. This game is kicking my ass and this quicktime shyt is some unfun, 80s Dragon's Lair bullshyt!!!!

 

[winb83]

This makes no sense, what are you guys even talking about? How could Rebirth "should be" at 10-15 million sold when that's literally never been a short term achievement for FF?

FFXIII which was a successful game took EIGHT years to sell 7 million copies.


WTF is one game on one platform supposed to look like? Take a look at the "best selling" FF games and take note of how many YEARS it took.

You guys are going "Oh but FF isn't selling like it used to" while ignoring that those big numbers are literally from YEARS away from release date.

Even FFXV which sold well took six years to sell that number across 3 platforms. Rebirth isn't going to defy history and suddenly sell all of that on one platform in a year.

The original FF games never sold this much on multiple platforms back then either. You guys are so loud and wrong in this thread lol. Final Fantasy anything never have sold 10 million in even 3 years. Even FFX which is considered the best selling FF game sold that in TWENTY years. You guys need a wake up call.

The premiere franchises in gaming today usually crack that 10 million number on the low end and long term do better than that. That's where I got that number. Being real thought it's doubtful the game has even moved much more than a quarter of the low end. I absolutely believe that Final Fantasy should be in contention with God of War, Resident Evil. It should do way better than say Persona. It's more like what Halo is today than competing with any of those.