Classic Matches That You've Never Seen?

[Kill Dat Noize]

No, a lot of those matches haven't aged well at all. The WWF style at the time was ridiculously cookie cutter, and it's quite obvious there wasn't a large premium placed on having "good matches" in the traditional sense as most of the dudes involved had better work before and/or after. Of course, there are some absolute gems of the era, but when we're talking about in-ring product and great matches people have missed out on, 80's WWF is hardly where you should start.

There's a reason why Savage-Steamboat is so ridiculously praised, and it's because of how much it stood out versus a lot of what else was happening once the bell actually rang. On the other hand you had the likes of Flair, Sting, Steamboat, and Windham having matches of that caliber multiple times a year.

Greatest and most successful is entirely subjective, btw.

what makes a "good match" to you and why doesn't the stuff from the 80's qualify?

 

[Scottie Drippin]

what makes a "good match" to you and why doesn't the stuff from the 80's qualify?

likes of Flair, Sting, Steamboat, and Windham

Clearly stuff from the 80's qualifies.

Or do you seriously want to compare the in-ring product of 80's NWA/JCP stuff to the WWF product at the time?

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Clearly stuff from the 80's qualifies.

Or do you seriously want to compare the in-ring product of 80's NWA/JCP stuff to the WWF product at the time?

I don't really care what was going on in japan. It was an entirely different product being aimed at an entirely different audience.

The in ring stuff in the WWF was more than fine. And to sit there and say the hogan-Andre match "doesn't hold up" is kind of ridiculous to me.

 

[Alexander The Great]

No, a lot of those matches haven't aged well at all. The WWF style at the time was ridiculously cookie cutter, and it's quite obvious there wasn't a large premium placed on having "good matches" in the traditional sense as most of the dudes involved had better work before and/or after. Of course, there are some absolute gems of the era, but when we're talking about in-ring product and great matches people have missed out on, 80's WWF is hardly where you should start.

There's a reason why Savage-Steamboat is so ridiculously praised, and it's because of how much it stood out versus a lot of what else was happening once the bell actually rang. On the other hand you had the likes of Flair, Sting, Steamboat, and Windham having matches of that caliber multiple times a year.

Greatest and most successful is entirely subjective, btw.

aside from Flair/Steamboat please post these classic great matches featuring Barry Windham and Sting.

everyone is entitled to their opinion but you're crazy if you think Hogan vs Andre doesn't age well. They tell a GREAT story, much like most of Hogan's 80 feud's and matches

 

[Scottie Drippin]

I don't really care what was going on in japan. It was an entirely different product being aimed at an entirely different audience.

The in ring stuff in the WWF was more than fine. And to sit there and say the hogan-Andre match "doesn't hold up" is kind of ridiculous to me.

Jim Crockett Promotions.

How old are you?

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Also, whatever, you both clearly grew up watching WWF don't have much exposure tof NWA stuff from the 80's, and I doubt much of of anything outside of the WWF/E over the years

 

[Alexander The Great]

Also, whatever, you both clearly grew up watching WWF don't have much exposure tof NWA stuff from the 80's, and I doubt much of of anything outside of the WWF/E over the years

I see you didn't post any matches

 

[Alexander The Great]

if you have the WWE Network OR internet access to YOUTUBE and you have not seen Hogan/Andre or Bret/Austin
@Silkk
you too @Riley Escobar

 

[Honga Ciganesta]

aside from Flair/Steamboat please post these classic great matches featuring Barry Windham and Sting.

everyone is entitled to their opinion but you're crazy if you think Hogan vs Andre doesn't age well. They tell a GREAT story, much like most of Hogan's 80 feud's and matches

Flair vs Windham 4/11/87 is a classic and Windham was a great worker before he slowed down due to injuries, you can almost check a random match of his from around this time frame and it'll be a good. I'm not really a Sting fan but the Flair match from the Clash is great. I suppose it just comes down to personal taste, I'd take that Windham/Flair match over any Hogan match

 

[Scottie Drippin]

I see you didn't post any matches

The fact that you don't know that Flair and WIndham had a series of classics in '86'87, specifically the Crockett Cup match in '87 is all I need to know about what you've been exposed to That's pretty base level, common, universally praised good shyt and you didn't know it existed. Homeboy thought JCP was a Japanese promotion. I mean, it's all good

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Jim Crockett Promotions.

How old are you?

for some reason I saw jcp and it registered ajp. my bad.

and the point still stands. The wwf was a different kind of show. It was perfect for what it was.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

for some reason I saw jcp and it registered ajp. my bad.

and the point still stands. The wwf was a different kind of show. It was perfect for what it was.

It was absolutely perfect for the time. Not a ton of it, purely from an inring perspective, aged that well breh

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

It was absolutely perfect for the time. Not a ton of it, purely from an inring perspective, aged that well breh

Again, I ask how so.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Again, I ask how so.

The middle stretch of too many matches mean absolutely nothing. Just tons of meandering, plodding, filler. Not storytelling in a grand scale. Not storytelling in a combatative sense. Just, dudes doing stuff until it's time for a finishing run. Also, so much stuff was just exhaustingly formulaic. And you rarely had guys mixing up their deals to tell a story. And a lot of matches went too long for how little they were trying to accomplish. You can watch highlights of tons of that stuff and actually have a BETTER experience than watching the full match because of how much in these matches was pointless filler.

It was an era for great moments. Not for great matches. An almost inverse of the era to follow, as the Next Generation era of the early 90's has tons of low key fun matches and some straight up great stuff, but almost all of it entirely inconsequential from an importance standpoint. But the matches were absolutely better.

 

[Alexander The Great]

Flair vs Windham 4/11/87 is a classic and Windham was a great worker before he slowed down due to injuries, you can almost check a random match of his from around this time frame and it'll be a good. I'm not really a Sting fan but the Flair match from the Clash is great. I suppose it just comes down to personal taste, I'd take that Windham/Flair match over any Hogan match

I've seen plenty of Windham's work and he's overrated imo.

The fact that you don't know that Flair and WIndham had a series of classics in '86'87, specifically the Crockett Cup match in '87 is all I need to know about what you've been exposed to That's pretty base level, common, universally praised good shyt and you didn't know it existed. Homeboy thought JCP was a Japanese promotion. I mean, it's all good

oh I'm fully aware of the Flair/Windham matches. you're in here on some high horse like because we are WWF/E fans we don't know anything of NWA/WCW those matches are nothing special and damn sure aren't blowing away the WWF of that time.

Barry Windham is one wrestling's unicorns. people speak of all these classics he's had, but no one can actually produce one. His matches with Flair were no better than Flair's late 80s matches with Luger, and weren't touching his matches with Steamboat