Cliff Bleszinski's new company...

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the publishers are funding it. do you think they dont have a say in what happens with their money? :martincmon:
Cliff is making the game, he's developing it 100% in house. You can make money from micro-transactions just through cosmetics like different weapon skins, it doesn't have to be pay to win, from everything I've heard from Cliffy B he would never support a "pay-to-win" system.

Bleszinski had acknowledged that the internet at large views “micro-transaction” as a dirty word, and expressed his frustration with gamers who adopt wildly different viewpoints based on the company using that word. “[...] when Valve charges 100$ for an engagement ring in Team Fortress 2 it’s somehow “cool” yet when EA wants to sell something similar it’s seen as ‘evil.’” He went on to recall when “the rage was pointed at Epic when we allowed users to purchase weapon skins in Gears 3.” Later in his post he mentioned how “No one seemed too upset at Blizzard when you could buy a pet in World of Warcraft – a game that you had to buy that was charging a monthly fee.”

All three of these statements have one crucial thing in common: they’re all about largely cosmetic enhancements. I never got the sense that Bleszinski was a proponent of “pay-to-win,” a much uglier phrase than micro-transactions. If I had to guess, I’d say that BlueStreak will remind old-school gamers of Unreal Tournament in terms of gameplay, and exhibit a free-to-play model that leans on costumes, skins, and other cosmetic additions for its revenue.

he even retweeted the article I'm quoting from.
 

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Cliff is making the game, he's developing it 100% in house. You can make money from micro-transactions just through cosmetics like different weapon skins, it doesn't have to be pay to win, from everything I've heard from Cliffy B he would never support a "pay-to-win" system.



he even retweeted the article I'm quoting from.
So he is gonna charge for shyt that will be 100% with the new Unreal Tournament and were free in previous UTs? :pachaha:

here is a comment on this announcement from reddit about nexon
Combat Arms is ludicrously pay to win. Basically, you can rent guns with in-game money, but they're super expensive and don't last very long. OR you can buy them with real money, permanently. Or you can buy weapons with real money that you can't even buy with in-game money, that also happened to be quite OP.

Mabinogi is also fairly pay-to-win. Essentially, you can level three times as fast as someone who doesn't pay $7-10 weekly. On top of that, pets (which also double as storage and occasionally mounts) can cost anywhere from $5 to $20. And there also is no way to buy them with in-game money (though you do get one mount for free). On top of that, there's also dyes that you can buy with money (and also sell to other players for lots of money), extra large arrow/bolt quivers, various cosmetic stuff, extra revives, etc. And, on top of that, you have to PAY to make additional characters (though you can get 2 free basic character cards).

Maplestory is not quite as pay-to-win. Basically, you can buy tickets for lotteries with real money, that have a decent chance of getting you lots of in-game money. There was also an experience lottery, so you could basically pay to gain experience. There's also a shytload of cosmetic items, that are both expensive and limited-time. And I'm sure there's more P2W stuff than that, as I haven't played in a long while (and Nexon NEVER removes P2W, they only ever add P2W).

I can't speak for Atlantica Online, Dragon Nest, and Dirty Bomb as I haven't played them. Vindictus I can't really speak for either, as I've played it but haven't really looked at the cash shop.

Though, P2W aside, Nexon (NA at least) is notorious for having god-awful support, server problems and bugs out the ass, an insane amount of hackers (one server I recall in Mabinogi basically got closed down for a week by hackers. Last I checked the people who got their shyt taken still haven't gotten them back from Nexon). All in all, they're a pretty shyte company, who's games I now avoid on principle.

nexon also has shyt security so they have situations like the PSN hacking fiasco going down multiple times. I got hacked in 08 and still never got an email back from their customer support
 

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So he is gonna charge for shyt that will be 100% with the new Unreal Tournament and were free in previous UTs? :pachaha:

here is a comment on this announcement from reddit about nexon


nexon also has shyt security so they have situations like the PSN hacking fiasco going down multiple times. I got hacked in 08 and still never got an email back from their customer support
Can you name the developers for any of those shytty pay to win games? No, you can't. Cliffy B has the power and reputation to do whatever he wants with his games

he retweeted "I’m certain that killing negative vibes surrounding “free-to-play” is high on his agenda."

now how the fukk would he kill the negative reaction towards free to play by making it pay to win? There is no way he goes in that direction dude. I don't care about unreal tournament, this is a totally new game. I've listened to enough of Cliffy B on podcasts to know the dude knows his shooters, I have a little faith in him.

If it's pay to win, guess what, he'll make money, but the vast majority of people won't be playing his game.
 

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Can you name the developers for any of those shytty pay to win games? No, you can't. Cliffy B has the power and reputation to do whatever he wants with his games

he retweeted "I’m certain that killing negative vibes surrounding “free-to-play” is high on his agenda."

now how the fukk would he kill the negative reaction towards free to play by making it pay to win? There is no way he goes in that direction dude. I don't care about unreal tournament, this is a totally new game. I've listened to enough of Cliffy B on podcasts to know the dude knows his shooters, I have a little faith in him.

If it's pay to win, guess what, he'll make money, but the vast majority of people won't be playing his game.
lets just agree to disagree :mjlol:

the new UT will be better than this nexon bullshyt
cliffy's new game will be shyt because of nexon

also, you ducked the part about them charging for skins when the new UT will be the same as the old ones (download skins, put them in folder, now you have new skins)
 
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lets just agree to disagree :mjlol:

the new UT will be better than this nexon bullshyt
cliffy's new game will be shyt because of nexon

also, you ducked the part about them charging for skins when the new UT will be the same as the old ones (download skins, put them in folder, now you have new skins)
I don't even care about skins like that. It's all about gameplay for me, if UT is better than so be it. I'm still excited to see how this game turns out
 

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lol. yep, dude put himself out there trying to be a 'celebrity' or whatever
Gamingblend....I know I know...
Read this dude's comments though. :heh:

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Back in 2012 Cliff Bleszinski left Epic Games. He stayed in retirement for barely two years and now he's back.

Boss Key Productions is the name of the new studio founded by Cliff Bleszinski, the former lead designer for Epic Games' Gears of War series. Cliffy B has joined forces with renown free-to-play publisher, Nexon, for his upcoming first-person shooter game, codenamed Blue Streak.

DualShockers recently collected some comments from Cliffy B during an AMA, where he discussed why he ended up with Nexon and why he supports free-to-play and hates used game sales.

The story of why he ended up with Nexon and not the other big publishers is somewhat fascinating, as he recounts it as follows...
“I know so many folks at EA, Ubi, MS, etc… After I left Epic I felt like the belle of the ball, EVERYONE wanted to meet with me when to be honest I just needed time off. But I have a very good agent who did the deal with Nexon, and he was eager, so after stalling him as long as I could (and knowing I’d want to come back eventually) I met with nearly all of the old guard. Even Zynga. (Mark Pincus came into my meeting 45 minutes late.)
Knowing developers who’ve worked with the traditional publishers I’d take them out, feed them a beer, and they’d do the “look around to see if anyone’s going to hear this” look and tell me “Run away. These guys aren’t the best to work with, and they’ll try to design your game and just get involved where they shouldn’t be.”
“With nearly EVERY one of the established big publishers I heard this from MANY developers. And no, I can’t name names.”


That's not that surprising a tale given that usually developers have that very same thing to say about working at big publishing studios, especially the usually outspoken Lorne Lanning from Oddworld fame.

Nevertheless, Cliffy B mentions that he finally met with the Nexon higher-ups after first keeping them at arms' length. He also, and very wisely, spoke with developers who have designed projects under Nexon's publishing label and they all had good things to say about the free-to-play publisher. After that he decided to jump in on the deal.

As for why his upcoming game will be an arena-based, 5-on-5, free-to-play title, Bleszinski explains that the industry can't sustain its own weight due to massive, ballooning budgets from AAA publishers, and gamers who can't afford to buy new games each and every time around, stating...
“They don’t mean to shyt on you, they’re doing what they think is “the right thing” because we’re in a console space whereas budgets are astronomical for the games as well as the marketing budgets, and more and more players are buying used and just renting games (“campaign rental”) and that cycle simply cannot continue much longer. This is why we see annualization, DLC, season passes, all that stuff, it’s an attempt to stick a finger in the leaky dyke of the industry.”

So gamers who can't afford to buy new games each and every time around are evil, is that it? Publishers can't take cues from indie crowds and focus on modest budgets and not blow $100 million on marketing campaigns for crappy games? That's too much to ask for? They have to annualize games that could have been mods for other crappy, broken releases instead of working with the community to help their products grow?

You mean to tell me that CD Projekt RED and Valve and InXile Entertainment and Nintendo are doing it wrong? That releasing quality games at modest prices with reasonable marketing goals can't be sustainable? It either has to be consumer-gouging at retail or consumer-gouging with in-app purchases and over-priced microtransactions?

Well if that's the case, I'll stick with CD Projekt RED, Valve, Nintendo and the rest of the indie developers and publishers who actually know how to run a business.

You can learn more about Blue Streak by paying a visit to the official website.

The Arrogance of this guy...Lmao!!! :mjlol:
 

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I definitely won't be checking for this since Epic crushed the buildings with their new UT project but this is potential good news because this might be a trend in arena shooters actually coming back. My question is would the gaming industry be ready for arena shooters compared to what kind of shooters have been dominant for so long? I hope they make a comeback really.

Also Gears of War was a good game :stopitslime:. I'll :cape: for that game anywhere.
 

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The Arrogance of this guy...Lmao!!! :mjlol:
huh? do you disagree with something he said?

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So gamers who can't afford to buy new games each and every time around are evil, is that it?

god, that William Usher dude is stupid. :snoop: why do you always post his crap? :why:
 
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huh? do you disagree with something he said?

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god, that William Usher dude is stupid. :snoop: why do you always post his crap? :why:
I just think it's entertaining how cats that do these write ups get emotional. lol
 

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i doubt that very seriously. fukk a publisher?
regardless I think they must know that they won't have a successful game if it's straight up 'pay-2-win'. it's the biggest criticism people generally have about free-2-play games. for that matter, PC gamers look at every new f2p game with a microscope trying to find where it is 'pay-2-win'. Cliff and Nexon must be aware of all this
 

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This nikka turned to Diddy at some point when he should've been worrying about his artists. Always wanna jump on camera. Lol!!!
nikka, sit yo ass down and bring me another Bulletstorm.

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