Clippers Trade Austin Rivers For Gortat
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Austin Rivers is not a bad basketball player smh
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Austin is solid, no player comes without flaws.
It was time to trade Gortat, but Rivers doesn’t move the needle in DC
By Kevin Broom @Broom_Kevin Jun 27, 2018, 10:12am PDT
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A round of applause for Ernie Grunfeld and the Washington Wizards: at least they didn’t deal for J.R. Smith.
Trading Marcin Gortat is a fine thing to do. He turns 34 next season, and his production has slipped the past couple years. Like a lot of aging athletes in decline, Gortat was capable of looking sensational for a few games, and then unplayable for a few. Plus, he and John Wall didn’t get along. Needing a frontcourt upgrade, plus a personality clash made him easy to deal.
But not for Austin Rivers.
When Rivers entered the NBA Draft, I ran him through my statistical evaluation tools and concluded he shouldn’t be drafted. Not even in the second round. He spent the first several seasons of his career supporting that conclusion. Here’s his Player Production Average by season (in PPA, average is 100, higher is better, replacement level is 45):
To his credit, Austin Rivers worked hard and transformed himself from horrific to merely bad. A number of fans and commentators are using words like “solid” and “good” and “average” to describe Rivers. None of those are correct.
The Wizards think they’re getting that third guard they’ve been trying (and failing) to find. What they’re actually getting is an inefficient gunner and (at best) ineffective defender who’s best known for an irrational-bordering-on-delusional confidence in his own limited abilities. If Rivers was half as good as he imagines he is, he’d be an All-Star.
This past season, Rivers became a full-time starter (59 starts in 61 games). Among the 55 guards who started at least 41 games, Rivers ranked 46th in PPA. Among the 78 guards who started at least half of the games they appeared in, and played at least 500 minutes, Rivers ranked 55th in PPA. In other words, he was among the league’s least productive starting guards.
Expand the pool to all 162 guards who played at least 500 minutes last season, and Rivers ranks 84th in PPA. To be blunt, there isn’t much he does at a high level. His free throw shooting is well below average. He shot a career-best 37.8 percent from three-point range last season, which ranked 55th among guards who played at least 500 minutes.
He’s 83rd in assists per 100 team possessions, 71st in free throw attempts, 64th in steals, 157th (among guards) in rebounding. On the positive side, he doesn’t commit many fouls or turnovers.
As for his defense, he has his defenders. I’ve seen it described everywhere from good to excellent to okay to pesky to terrible. I’ve also seen him play and seen the numbers. In ESPN’s defensive Real Plus-Minus, Rivers ranked 495th in the league last season, four spots ahead of Jodie Meeks.
Jacob Goldstein’s Player Impact Plus Minus includes 161 guards who played at least 500 minutes last season. Rivers ranked 117th in defensive impact. In Goldstein’s multiseason metric, Rivers ranked 144th in that same group.
In the defense part of my metric, Rivers ranked 112th among guards.
Now, this is not to say there are no positives in this trade. The deal saves the Wizards about $2.3 million in salary and luxury tax, and it removes an aging big man who didn’t get along with the team’s star point guard. It also signals the front office is going to be shopping for a center in July (there is no way the front office thinks they go into next season with Mahinmi as the starter), and there’s a reasonable chance they could get an upgrade on Gortat. Plus, Rivers is on an expiring contract, which makes him potential trade bait.
The hope from Wizards fans that Rivers could be a dynamic third guard and bolster the bench is understandable. Unfortunately, Rivers probably is going to be the latest in a long string of disappointments. He’s inefficient on offense and ineffective on defense, and his presence on the roster is likely going to take minutes from Tomas Satoransky, who was actually productive last season.
Gortat for Rivers isn’t the worst trade the Wizards could have made, but it’s likely the team would have been better off packaging Gortat with Kelly Oubre Jr. or Tomas Satoransky and gotten someone good. Rivers might “move the needle” for the Wizards, but it’ll probably be in the wrong direction.
By Kevin Broom @Broom_Kevin Jun 27, 2018, 10:12am PDT
Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images
A round of applause for Ernie Grunfeld and the Washington Wizards: at least they didn’t deal for J.R. Smith.
Trading Marcin Gortat is a fine thing to do. He turns 34 next season, and his production has slipped the past couple years. Like a lot of aging athletes in decline, Gortat was capable of looking sensational for a few games, and then unplayable for a few. Plus, he and John Wall didn’t get along. Needing a frontcourt upgrade, plus a personality clash made him easy to deal.
But not for Austin Rivers.
When Rivers entered the NBA Draft, I ran him through my statistical evaluation tools and concluded he shouldn’t be drafted. Not even in the second round. He spent the first several seasons of his career supporting that conclusion. Here’s his Player Production Average by season (in PPA, average is 100, higher is better, replacement level is 45):
- 2012-13: 0
- 2013-14: 39
- 2014-15: 41
- 2015-16: 48
- 2016-17: 54
- 2017-18: 78
To his credit, Austin Rivers worked hard and transformed himself from horrific to merely bad. A number of fans and commentators are using words like “solid” and “good” and “average” to describe Rivers. None of those are correct.
The Wizards think they’re getting that third guard they’ve been trying (and failing) to find. What they’re actually getting is an inefficient gunner and (at best) ineffective defender who’s best known for an irrational-bordering-on-delusional confidence in his own limited abilities. If Rivers was half as good as he imagines he is, he’d be an All-Star.
This past season, Rivers became a full-time starter (59 starts in 61 games). Among the 55 guards who started at least 41 games, Rivers ranked 46th in PPA. Among the 78 guards who started at least half of the games they appeared in, and played at least 500 minutes, Rivers ranked 55th in PPA. In other words, he was among the league’s least productive starting guards.
Expand the pool to all 162 guards who played at least 500 minutes last season, and Rivers ranks 84th in PPA. To be blunt, there isn’t much he does at a high level. His free throw shooting is well below average. He shot a career-best 37.8 percent from three-point range last season, which ranked 55th among guards who played at least 500 minutes.
He’s 83rd in assists per 100 team possessions, 71st in free throw attempts, 64th in steals, 157th (among guards) in rebounding. On the positive side, he doesn’t commit many fouls or turnovers.
As for his defense, he has his defenders. I’ve seen it described everywhere from good to excellent to okay to pesky to terrible. I’ve also seen him play and seen the numbers. In ESPN’s defensive Real Plus-Minus, Rivers ranked 495th in the league last season, four spots ahead of Jodie Meeks.
Jacob Goldstein’s Player Impact Plus Minus includes 161 guards who played at least 500 minutes last season. Rivers ranked 117th in defensive impact. In Goldstein’s multiseason metric, Rivers ranked 144th in that same group.
In the defense part of my metric, Rivers ranked 112th among guards.
Now, this is not to say there are no positives in this trade. The deal saves the Wizards about $2.3 million in salary and luxury tax, and it removes an aging big man who didn’t get along with the team’s star point guard. It also signals the front office is going to be shopping for a center in July (there is no way the front office thinks they go into next season with Mahinmi as the starter), and there’s a reasonable chance they could get an upgrade on Gortat. Plus, Rivers is on an expiring contract, which makes him potential trade bait.
The hope from Wizards fans that Rivers could be a dynamic third guard and bolster the bench is understandable. Unfortunately, Rivers probably is going to be the latest in a long string of disappointments. He’s inefficient on offense and ineffective on defense, and his presence on the roster is likely going to take minutes from Tomas Satoransky, who was actually productive last season.
Gortat for Rivers isn’t the worst trade the Wizards could have made, but it’s likely the team would have been better off packaging Gortat with Kelly Oubre Jr. or Tomas Satoransky and gotten someone good. Rivers might “move the needle” for the Wizards, but it’ll probably be in the wrong direction.
On another note, heard the Wizard number 1 pick in this past draft, has changed his Jersey number from 0 to 6
Cousins wears number is 0
Oubre is from Louisiana but the numbers works well with Porter from a trade standpoint
And he liked the pic on IG
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PPA is a bullshyt stat.
Saying he ranked 55th in guards with a 38% 3PT is retarded. He’s a high volume three point shooter (6 attempts per), he has range and shot creating abilities in iso. There’s not fukking 55 guards better at shooting threes than he is, and 38% is above league average for 3. But nah let’s just say he’s 55th with no context just to shyt on him.
Defense cannot be quantified in stats. Rivers is a pesky defender of both guard spots.
This man is hated for no reason.
Saying he ranked 55th in guards with a 38% 3PT is retarded. He’s a high volume three point shooter (6 attempts per), he has range and shot creating abilities in iso. There’s not fukking 55 guards better at shooting threes than he is, and 38% is above league average for 3. But nah let’s just say he’s 55th with no context just to shyt on him.
Defense cannot be quantified in stats. Rivers is a pesky defender of both guard spots.
This man is hated for no reason.
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Basically told him to opt out and pack ya bags. Clippers are Boston level ruthless, kidnapped that guy just to get rid of him
That situation was so fukkin goofy
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Using advanced stats for a bench player is silly. Austin has a solid midrange game and he's a decent defender which exactly what Washington needed. Gortat is a veteran big that can help LA whether DJ stays or goes.
He was likeJerry West and Lawrence Frank are running personnel
Your really trading my son?