Coli black capitalists, how do you feel about Climate Change?

[Henri Christophe]

Just a ideology for do nothing nikkas.
To handcuff do something nikkas.
Because you're not capable of doing something, other than taking orders from white people.

The capitalism vs socialism debates are finished.

Its over.

This the knockout punch.

 

[Wildhundreds]

The socialist are "good white people”, don't you know?

The immigrants that are breaking their necks to get here, aren't doing so to take advantage of socialism..
Even most of your black market scams are from people over seas in government ran economies.. These dudes aren't honest in their positions.. As long as they're flying on jets and riding in cars, that pollute the environment they're trying to protect, I wouldn't take them seriously..

 

[acri1]

Why even ask this question in TLR you're just going to get a bunch of climate change deniers

 

[Micky Mikey]

How do black people even believe that the same white man that implemented the "racist" capitalistic system, will do right by them under socialism?

Socialism and capitalism are economic models. Just like religion or any other ideology, they can be manipulated and scewed in favor of white supremacy. I will say that capitalism has been historically exploitative towards non-whites. Exploitation is at the heart of how it functions. Labor must be exploited and capitalists will always be looking for ways to find cheap labor.
Also socialism has more values that are aligned with traditional African societies than some of you may think.

Personally I tend to like the idea of market socialism. I love in the idea of entreprenuership but it must be done in a way that benefits the collective.

The current way capitalism is practiced isn't sustainable. As I've stated climate change is going totally upend this current system.

 

[Wildhundreds]

Socialism and capitalism are economic models. Just like religion or any other ideology, they can be manipulated and scewed in favor of white supremacy. I will say that capitalism has been historically exploitative towards non-whites. Exploitation is at the heart of how it functions. Labor must be exploited and capitalists will always be looking for ways to find cheap labor.
Also socialism has more values that are aligned with traditional African societies than some of you make think.

Personally I tend to like the idea of market socialism. I love in the idea of entreprenuership but it must be done in a way that benefits the collective.

The current way capitalism is practiced isn't sustainable. As I've stated climate change is going totally upend this current system.

I can't even rightfully diss socialism because I've never experienced it.. All I know is I was born into a system that dictates they way you survive. I set forth my hand in it, to make a living for my family and myself, and I do well...
If capitalism gets destroyed in this country.. I will again set forth my hand to provide for myself and my family..

 

[Wildhundreds]

Why even ask this question in TLR you're just going to get a bunch of climate change deniers

Climate change is a thing.. If the planet supposedly started of tropical and went through an ice age, supposedly.. Climate change is inevitable..

 

[Micky Mikey]

I can't even rightfully diss socialism because I've never experienced it.. All I know is I was born into a system that dictates they way you survive. I set forth my hand in it, to make a living for my family and myself, and I do well...
If capitalism gets destroyed in this country.. I will again set forth my hand to provide for myself and my family..

Capitalism is all we know and we've been conditioned to think its the only system that works. We'll find out very soon that it doesn't.

You cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. We are literally destroying our own life support systems (via ocean pollution, deforestation, atmospheric pollution, over fishing etc etc). All this talk of which system is better is irrelevant at this point. The system as it exists is going to unravel.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Climate change is a thing.. If the planet supposedly started of tropical and went through an ice age, supposedly.. Climate change is inevitable..

You're correct to an extent. Climate change is a natural process that plays out over the course of hundreds of thousands of years. This allows species ample time to evolve and adapt to their environments. What we're experiencing now is abrupt climate change. The key word here is abrupt. Right now climate change is occurring over the course of decades. And not even humans with all of our technology and intelligence will be able to adapt quickly enough to prevent catastrophic changes to our civilization. If you really think deeply about our impact on this planet, it's absurd to think we can pumps millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere at such a rapid rate and think shyt will be all good. The last time there was this much carbon in the atmosphere humans didn't exist. We are reverting this planet back to pre-historic conditions in which dinosaurs existed.

 

[Wildhundreds]

Capitalism is all we know and we've been conditioned to think its the only system that works. We'll find out very soon that it doesn't.

You cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. We are literally destroying our own life support systems (via ocean pollution, deforestation, atmospheric pollution, over fishing etc etc). All this talk of which system is better is irrelevant at this point. The system as it exists is going to unravel.

Thats fine and I agree.. But people underestimate the power of "perception". Someone in a socialist country wish they were here, and someone here wishes they were there..
The people I know who hate capitalism are those who can't live lavishly like the CEOs of the companies they patronize.. Capitalism is destructive, but if people made a conscious effort to minimize their participation in it, the system would have no choice but to react..

 

[Wildhundreds]

You're correct to an extent. Climate change is a natural process that plays out over the course of hundreds of thousands of years. This allows species ample time to evolve and adapt to their environments. What we're experiencing now is abrupt climate change. The key word here is abrupt. Right now climate change is occurring over the course of decades. And not even humans with all of our technology and intelligence will be able to adapt quickly enough to prevent catastrophic changes to our civilization. If you really think deeply about our impact on this planet, it's absurd to think we can pumps millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere at such a rapid rate and think shyt will be all good. The last time there was this much carbon in the atmosphere humans didn't exist. We are reverting this planet back to pre-historic conditions in which dinosaurs existed.

Accelerated climte change, I do agree with this..

Im still mesmerized by whats going on in Tampa Bay.. How the hell one plant have enough toxic waste to pollute and flood a entire city? 480 million gallons of water just sitting? No way was they supposed to be in business.. Thats government assisted pollution..

 

[PL368Z]

what does climate change have to do with capitalism?

Climate change is the product of unchecked capitalism.

 

[Wildhundreds]

Climate change is the product of unchecked capitalism.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Dudes really get on the internet to regurgitate the thoughts of racist white men.

Says the guy going all-out to for modern capitalism.

socialism is bad because it’s a half-baked ideology sold to privileged college kids, that doesn’t work unless paired with authoritarian government or racial/cultural homogeneity.

False. It works just as easily as capitalism works if it weren't for violent capitalists dominating the sources of power and actively trying to destroy anyone who practices it wherever it crops up.

Socialism is bad because it was literally invented by a rich racist French dude that was a failure. I don’t follow the ideas of failures.

Marxism is bad because it was made by a lazy racist German man, who leeched off his friends, let his children starve while he ate, and own mother called him a lazy bum.

Engels was also a disgusting racist.

You mean as opposed to the White people who push capitalism?

I already posted dozens of Black socialist leaders and intellectuals, why are you writing them out of the picture and giving White people credit for everything?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And since you don't have enough economic understanding to understand what free market capitalism is, here is a brief for you:
What's the difference between capitalism and a free market?.

Did you fail to read your own link again?

People usually conflate the two, but I want to try to persuade (mainly the right) that capitalism is nothing like a free market, and (mainly the left) that there’s nothing wrong with a truly free market.

M-C-M‘ is the capitalist model. It’s a relatively recent invention. Someone has money (the more they have, the more useful this model is to them; and the more they have, if you trace the history of its acquisition, the more illicit it’s likely to be), which they invest in the production of commodities, to obtain more money. The ‘ on the end of the final M is crucial. It signifies that M‘ is more than M. This is the really damaging part – it ensures that wealth will concentrate, via extraction, and that the economy has to perpetually grow, and therefore destroy ecology.

M-C-M‘ can never be a free market, because the concentration of wealth that it inevitably brings will overflow into the political system and mean that the state will continue to skew the market in favour of big capital. That’s exactly what’s happened. A Starbucks will always pay far less tax than a local, independent coffee shop in any community it’s situated in anywhere in the world. Tax is only one of the many ways the state supports big capital (protection for their patents is another; giving monopoly control of the money supply to banks is another; ultimately bailing them out if they screw up another). Take away the state prop for the corporate sector, and I think ‘economies of scale’ will be revealed to be an illusion.

...if the means of production is owned by people who do no work, in an M-C-M‘ model, then wealth will always concentrate, because of the M’. Concentrated wealth will inevitably build institutions that look very much like a state (like the WTO, IMF etc.) – with regulations, propaganda and preferential treatment for the M-C-M‘ model and its beneficiaries, and with ultimate recourse to violence if people transgress. And then we’re back to crony capitalism. So from this viewpoint, any kind of capitalist, M-C-M‘ model will ultimately result in crony capitalism, and destroy democracy and ecology.

I guess none of us want crony capitalism, but does any kind of M-C-M’ always result in crony capitalism in the end? I think it does. But one thing I’m sure of – capitalism can never be truly a free market.

That writer is saying the EXACT opposite of what you're pushing. He says that "capitalism" and "free markets" are completely different things, and that capitalism is a fukked up system that messes everything up. And this was YOUR link.

Ladies and gentlemen, the capitalists have spoken.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Climate change is the product of unchecked capitalism.

How can you have modern capitalism without infinite growth though?

Our entire capitalist system is based on money loaned at interest that must be paid back with all the interest. You can only pay back your loans if you make MORE money than you were ever given. You can only earn a return on your investment if you investment results in growth. Since the money was never created to pay off that interest, you can only survive if people continuously take out more loans with more interest, which only pushes the problem further into the future. Without constant, ever-increasing growth, the system would collapse, as @ignorethis already demonstrated with his own link.

The capitalist system creates massive pressure to consume, consume, consume until everything is destroyed. How do you "check" that, when the system constantly puts enormous pressure on everything to pay off their loans at interest?