Coli homeowners how stressful/ tedious is the home buying process

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im used to negotiations and paperwork so it was super easy for me. was in there in a month

went to introduce myself to the new neighbor the same day, he was bitter sweet because he was going to get one of his people to move in. time waits for no man mr. rogers :umad:
 

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In the middle of buying a house and so far it's easier than I thought. Things to look out for is your credit and your spouse credit. They take the middle score of the lower spouse. Make sure credit is in excellent order. The other thing is the fund you have in your bank account. You can use cash deposited but it has to be there for at least 2 bank statement cycles to avoid suspicion. So if you have cash on hand now, deposit it now. I had to deposited a lot in cash but I can't so I had many people write me checks. No cash app or zelle allowed. They say checks can only come from close relatives but they also don't ask, if you get my drift.

I suggest getting pre-approved for a mortgage from at least 3-5 lenders and it is a hard credit pull that does lower score but if you do it at once it counts as 1 pull. I suggest getting rates from brokers, banks, and local credit union. Make sure the rates you get do not include points. Zillow is a good place to check reviews for mortgage lenders. The pre-approval letter is important for houses that will get multiple offers. These credit pulls are usually good for 100 days meaning you don't want to get pre approved and then buy a house more than 4 months out since that ll be another pull. Get it when you're serious about buying.
 
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I'm going thru a refinance now and the process has been ridiculously easy. Highly recommend Better.com for refinance

Went from a 3.4% mortgage to 2.6%. PMI falling off, monthly payment reduced by $300, no appraisal needed, & they will cut me a check after
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Dc or maryland if u dont mine me asking

If DC proper you’ve struck gold brother.
 

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It was fairly easy because we went with BofA because the stupid low interest rate, and we were building the house so we knew the total cost because we selected everything.

The most “stressful” part was providing over 70 letters of explanations because we have 5+ accounts and we help family members out a lot so they kept asking what was this $200 for? Where did this transfer go? Why was this deposited?

:stopitslime: We got the money stop asking questions about shyt from last year. I don’t remember!!!:damn:


They were asking for letters of explanations up to the night before(10pm) we officially closed on the house. We had to send it at 6 am when we woke up.

I used to be an underwriter and hated asking for LOEs for shyt i knew wasn't consequential.. but had to:mjlol:

also the brokers relationship will impact the process. Had brokers like clients at the closing ready to get the keys... man send me one more paystub :lolbron:
 

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just finished buying a condo on my third try

-always, always get an inspection. the first time it saved me from buying a house with a crumbling foundation, i just walked from the sale. this time around, it paid for itself because i had the seller knock off a grand for a few repairs

-second place, the seller was the worst part. they ended up not selling to me because they couldnt find somewhere to move :dead: so buying an empty house is the best, if you can

-this time around, the worst thing that happened was Quicken fukking with me. asking about deposits, etc. but mortgage rates are so cheap for the next couple years that you should 100 percent go for it. theres too much demand for there to be another housing crash
 

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I used to be an underwriter and hated asking for LOEs for shyt i knew wasn't consequential.. but had to:mjlol:

also the brokers relationship will impact the process. Had brokers like clients at the closing ready to get the keys... man send me one more paystub :lolbron:


:russ: It was sooooo annoying!!! Sometimes it felt like they didn’t want us to get the house


I want to neg you just out of frustration for all underwriters but I understand that you were just tryna get your paper.
 
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How much money in the bank did most of yal have before starting the loan or pre-approval process? Recommended amount?
Will it be tough depositing cash before this process?
 

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The easiest thing right now is getting approved. The hardest thing is getting your offer accepted as it’s a sellers market and home are going well above the asking price. I gave up. I’m gonna chill out and wait. More than likely going to do new construction when there aren’t delays and increased prices.

All this. Its a price war out there sista...mainly cause of covid. Its a lot of investors buying up property now.
 

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Also depends on what market you in. I am in texas so all this shyt is hot. Covid just got the market even hotter.

Now if I was back home in Chicago the market would be as hot.
 

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I work in mortgage...it shouldn't be stressful if you have good credit obvious assets/income...once you start throwing wrenches in like gifts, weird liabilities, bad credit...shyt goes super left. then people get mad at me like its some conspiracy at the mortgage department to not...sell you houses :francis:
 

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I used to be an underwriter and hated asking for LOEs for shyt i knew wasn't consequential.. but had to:mjlol:

also the brokers relationship will impact the process. Had brokers like clients at the closing ready to get the keys... man send me one more paystub :lolbron:

On god I be wanting to run the fade with the underwriter on my files half the time.

Be asking for absurd shyt when the docs presented already cover it now I got to go bother these rich ass cacs some more. and you know how rich people are with most minor of inconvinience :scust:
 

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Home Appraised With a Black Owner: $472,000. With a White Owner: $750,000.​

Nathan Connolly and his wife, Shani Mott, say an appraisal company undervalued their home based on their race. The couple has filed a lawsuit in Maryland.

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Nathan Connolly and Shani Mott are suing an appraiser and a mortgage lender after their Baltimore home was estimated to be worth $472,000. After the couple removed any indications that Black people lived there, a second appraiser valued the home at $750,000.

Nathan Connolly and Shani Mott are suing an appraiser and a mortgage lender after their Baltimore home was estimated to be worth $472,000. After the couple removed any indications that Black people lived there, a second appraiser valued the home at $750,000.Credit...Shan Wallace for The New York Times

Nathan Connolly and Shani Mott are suing an appraiser and a mortgage lender after their Baltimore home was estimated to be worth $472,000. After the couple removed any indications that Black people lived there, a second appraiser valued the home at $750,000.

By Debra Kamin
Aug. 18, 2022Updated 1:14 p.m. ET
Last summer, Nathan Connolly and his wife, Shani Mott, welcomed an appraiser into their house in Baltimore, hoping to take advantage of historically low interest rates and refinance their mortgage.
They believed that their house — improved with a new $5,000 tankless water heater and $35,000 in other renovations — was worth much more than the $450,000 that they paid for it in 2017. Home prices have been on the rise nationwide since the pandemic; in Baltimore, they have gone up 42 percent in the past five years, according to Zillow.com.
But 20/20 Valuations, a Maryland appraisal company, put the home’s value at $472,000, and in turn, loanDepot, a mortgage lender, denied the couple a refinance loan.
Dr. Connolly said he knew why: He, his wife and three children, aged 15, 12 and 9, are Black. A professor of history at Johns Hopkins University, Dr. Connolly is an expert on redlining and the legacy of white supremacy in American cities, and much of his research focuses on the role of race in the housing market.

Months after that first appraisal, the couple applied for another refinance loan, removed family photos and had a white male colleague — another Johns Hopkins professor — stand in for them. The second appraiser valued the house at $750,000.
This week, Dr. Connolly and Dr. Mott sued loanDepot, which is based in Foothill Ranch, Calif., as well as 20/20 Valuations and Shane Lanham, the owner of 20/20 Valuations. Mr. Lanham is the appraiser who conducted the first appraisal.

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“We were clearly aware of appraisal discrimination,” said Dr. Connolly, 44. “But to be told in so many words that our presence and the life we’ve built in our home brings the property value down? It’s an absolute gut punch.”
The home appraisal industry, which relies partly on subjective opinions to translate home values into dollars and cents, has faced a firestorm of criticism over the past two years.

More than 97 percent of home appraisers are white, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and since the summer of 2020, when conversations on race and discrimination in America rose to the forefront following the murder of George Floyd, dozens of Black homeowners have alleged discrimination in the home valuations they received. Some have filed lawsuits, and the Biden administration in March announced a set of planned reforms to overhaul the appraisal industry and dismantle systemic bias.

Dr. Connolly and Dr. Mott live in the North Baltimore neighborhood of Homeland, known for its strong public schools and colonial architecture, which has earned it a place on the National Register of Historic Places. A majority of their neighbors are white. According to their complaint, which was filed in Maryland District Court on Monday, the couple applied to refinance their mortgage with loanDepot in May 2021. The lender approved a loan at a rate of 2.25 percent and, according to the complaint, told the couple that their home was likely now worth $550,000 or more.
To conduct the appraisal, loanDepot hired 20/20 Valuations as a subcontractor.
Mr. Lanham conducted the inspection himself on June 14, 2021. According to the complaint, Dr. Connolly, Dr. Mott and their three children were home during the visit, and their house was also filled with family photos, children’s drawings of figures with dark skin, a poster for the film “Black Panther” and literature by Black authors (Dr. Mott lectures on literature and Africana studies).
“It would have been obvious to anyone visiting that the home belonged to a Black family,” the complaint reads. The appraisal came back just $22,000 more than they had paid, and loanDepot based its rejection of the couple’s application on the low number.
The couple criticized the way Mr. Lanham came up with his appraisal. Home appraisers frequently rely upon the sales comparison approach, in which they weigh real estate against the sale prices of similar nearby homes to determine value.
In Mr. Lanham’s appraisal, he selected three homes with values ranging from $435,000 to $545,000 (a fourth comparable, which sold for $650,000, was ultimately not used in his valuation).
The first home used, the complaint argues, would be considered a “fixer-upper,” which the home of Dr. Connolly and Dr. Mott is not.
The second is outside the boundaries of the Homeland neighborhood, amid a majority-Black census block of homes.

In the third, he deducted $50,000 from the comparison amount because Dr. Connolly and Dr. Mott’s home faces a busy street — a deduction, the complaint says, that “is excessive and is inconsistent with proper appraisal practices.” Another $20,000 was deducted for the quality of construction.
All of the selected comparable homes, the complaint says, were of lower quality than Dr. Connolly and Dr. Mott’s home, and the appraisal incorrectly stated that their home had not received any updates for 15 years.
According to the complaint, Mr. Lanham “cherry-picked low value homes as comps,” and by doing so, he “ignored legitimately comparable homes with much higher sales prices.”
When reached by phone on Tuesday, Mr. Lanham declined to comment.
Dr. Connolly and Dr. Mott wrote a letter to Christian Jorgensen, a lending officer at loanDepot who had been their main point of contact up to that point, challenging the appraisal. According to the complaint, the loan officer then stopped responding to their calls.
Mr. Jorgensen did not respond to requests for comment.
Several months later, the couple applied for a new loan with Swift Home Loans, which partnered with Rocket Mortgage. This time they underwent a “whitewashing experiment,” removing indications of Blackness from their home and replacing them with signifiers that a white family might live there instead. They cleared their bookshelves of works by Black authors. They asked white friends to share family photos and placed those in picture frames around the house; on their walls, they hung art bought at Ikea that showed white people.
An American flag that was presented to Dr. Mott 10 years ago after the death of her father, a Vietnam War veteran, was removed from storage, framed and placed on the mantle.

“We had to have a conversation with our kids about why we’re pulling down all their drawings,” Dr. Connolly said. “It’s very humiliating to strip yourself of your own home.”
On the day of the second appraisal, they left their home and had the white colleague answer the door. The second appraiser provided the $750,000 estimate.
The homes pulled by the second appraiser were of significantly higher value than those selected by Mr. Lanham, selling from $749,000 to $785,000. And while Lanham docked $50,000, or 10 percent, from the comparable homes that were not on a busy road, the second appraiser deducted $15,000, or 2 percent. The complaint says that the 2 percent adjustment is consistent with industry standards.
Race has long played a role in housing policy in the United States, and Black Americans are denied mortgages at disproportionate rates. The impact of redlining, a racist Depression-era housing policy, continues to drive down home values in Black neighborhoods and deprive resources for communities of color.
But Dr. Mott and Dr. Connolly do not live in a Black neighborhood. The disparity in their two appraisals echoes a lawsuit brought by Tenisha Tate-Austin and Paul Austin, a Black couple in California’s Bay Area who have accused an appraiser of lowballing their home’s value by $500,000. That case, said Mr. Austin, is scheduled for mediation — a chance to resolve the matter before heading to court — in September.
“We’re looking to hold people accountable,” Mr. Austin said.
The Department of Justice made the unusual move in February of issuing a statement of interest in the Austin case, underscoring the fact that appraisers, who are bound by the Fair Housing Act of 1968 to not discriminate, can be held legally liable if they do.
Mr. Austin said it was a big step for President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris to say that they want the appraisal industry to be overhauled. “But I do believe it is going to take quite a few more lawsuits in order for appraisers to stop devaluing Black and brown properties,” he said. “It’s a historical aspect of how people value Black and brown lives.”

The Justice Department’s move in the Austin case came several months after Mr. Biden announced the creation of the Interagency Task Force on Property Appraisal and Valuation Equity, which aims to evaluate the causes of appraisal bias and execute an action plan to root it from the industry. The task force is led by Susan E. Rice, the White House domestic policy adviser, and Marcia L. Fudge, the secretary of Housing and Urban Development. One year in, say senior HUD officials, they are working to bolster its governance over the Appraisal Foundation, which sets standards for appraisers.

Of course, it is not unheard-of for appraisals to be far off the mark — one study in 2012, for example, found a wide berth between what was said to be the values of homes and their eventual sale prices.
Nevertheless, discrimination on appraisals continues to trouble those who work in the industry. James Park, executive director of the Appraisal Subcommittee, the independent federal agency that monitors the Appraisal Foundation, said he is deeply disturbed by accusations of discriminatory appraisals that continue to come to light.
“It’s a concern, and it should be a concern for the entire appraisal industry, as well as mortgage lenders,” Mr. Park said.
John Relman, managing partner of Relman Colfax, the law firm representing Dr. Connolly and Dr. Mott, said: “Appraisal discrimination is insidious because it’s so nuanced. But what’s unique about this case is it’s not a typical redlining case. You can’t get more accomplished than these two individuals. They have done everything the market told them to do, and they invested in a community where everyone else had the benefit of rising real estate values. And yet they were still discriminated against.”
 
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