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[Malta]

Sooooo, somehow you think a person who wants to kill another person is honorable enough to (a) follow gun laws, (b) not purchase smuggled guns? By your logic, laws against cocaine, marijuana, etc. don't really exist considering such high volumes exist in the US and somehow people don't smuggle/find illegal things.

You're really all over the place with this, first and foremost, please tell me where they'd be buying "smuggled" guns from. I'd like to know, since most of the firearms sold in the US are also manufactured in the US. Would they be smuggling them from Canada, or Mexico? Keep in mind 70% of the guns seized in Mexico are from America, are we just going to smuggle a limited quantity guns back and forth with them? Where would these handguns come from, I'd really like to know. And, you're comparing an illegal substances to guns as well, first hamburgers, now drugs, what's next.

Fact of the matter is, you expect honorable acts from people who have un-hononrable desires to murder which is a contradiction in itself. You also agree with people selling death to the public in mass amounts (efforts that shorten life), but yet don't want people to have the means (whether they will have to use such or not) to defend themselves (an effort that can prolong life), another contradiction.

Really, I wasn't aware that I agreed with selling death to the masses, I'm not the one arguing for guns after all. You must mean me not taking offense to the dark and seedy world of hamburger sales, honestly speaking, that reads like something you'd hear on Fox News.

If the object of the game is to prolong life and ensure safety for everyone because no one chooses to be murderd, let's restrict diets (kids don't have a choice in food outside of their parents means) and food items that are sold, let's cut the selling of cars (no one chooses to be hit by anyone), let's stop the construction of swimming pools and close beaches (no one chooses to drown), let's make drinking illegal (excessive drinking can be related to innate mental illness and no one chooses to die from drunk drivers), let's make smoking illegal (people don't chose to second hand smoke in many cases), etc.

I never should have asked what was next as far examples go, just unreal, this sounds like straight up Republican rhetoric when Barack was running. So, a parent's goal when they buy their child fast food is to kill them, I see. Also, please point me to one single car from Honda, Toyota or any major company that is designed and built with killing people in mind, is there a new Camry coming out next year with a battering ram? I wasn't aware swimming pools were built as a means of self defense with killing others in mind, I learn something new everyday. Smoking actually is illegal in most public places where I live and drunk drivers face prison time and felony charges if they hurt/kill others.

The biggest flaw in your argument is that none of the things you're trying to draw a comparison to are designed to kill. Everything you try to bring up has a primary function other than killing, what is the primary function of a gun when the trigger is pulled? The average person doesn't shoot to wound, they shoot to kill.

But we can read and see you are not really talking about prolonging/protecting life and safety. You are talking about a false sense of security in taking away someone's legal right.

Frankly I have no desire to touch the Constitution, because once we give the powers that be the ability to admit that one thing was wrong, we open up free reign on the whole document. Sure, fight all you want to take that 2nd amendment away, don't be surprised when the rest of them go as well.

You have yet to answer the only question I have asked you, would murders increase or decrease lets say over a 5 year period, if HANDGUNS were banned. I have asked it 3 or 4 times now, you just fly right over it, because you know the answer would be without question murders would decrease. I've lost friends to gun violence, so my opinion on them really won't budge much

 

[Cat piss martini]

a white boy made that...

 

[Black Magisterialness]

this all goes back to my theory that wee need to just go back to a dueling culture....me and you got an issue...i challenge you and we fight with swords till first blood...(or death if its that serious).
This is america, if you really think the armed forces are gonna turn their guns on civies at the whim of the gov, you are mistaken this ISNT china, nazi germany or soviet russia. Nor is it Libya, Syria or Iraq. We have a free standing military of volunteers, not some mindless wave of drones indoctrinated by the governing bodies (not like nazi soldiers at least).
And if current revolutions are to be a example, then its more believe able that the military would side with the people, thus further making arms for civies redundant....i don't think an out right ban would do any good...but high powered rifles have no place here, i have no issue with a handgun for personal protection. But every time we hear about a mass shooting, semi-automatic rifles or SMGs with high stopping power come into play. Didn't them kids at columbine have tecs?

 

[DaChampIsHere]

You're really all over the place with this, first and foremost, please tell me where they'd be buying "smuggled" guns from. I'd like to know, since most of the firearms sold in the US are also manufactured in the US. Would they be smuggling them from Canada, or Mexico? Keep in mind 70% of the guns seized in Mexico are from America, are we just going to smuggle a limited quantity guns back and forth with them? Where would these handguns come from, I'd really like to know. And, you're comparing an illegal substances to guns as well, first hamburgers, now drugs, what's next.

Really, I wasn't aware that I agreed with selling death to the masses, I'm not the one arguing for guns after all. You must mean me not taking offense to the dark and seedy world of hamburger sales, honestly speaking, that reads like something you'd hear on Fox News.

I never should have asked what was next as far examples go, just unreal, this sounds like straight up Republican rhetoric when Barack was running. So, a parent's goal when they buy their child fast food is to kill them, I see. Also, please point me to one single car from Honda, Toyota or any major company that is designed and built with killing people in mind, is there a new Camry coming out next year with a battering ram? I wasn't aware swimming pools were built as a means of self defense with killing others in mind, I learn something new everyday. Smoking actually is illegal in most public places where I live and drunk drivers face prison time and felony charges if they hurt/kill others.

The biggest flaw in your argument is that none of the things you're trying to draw a comparison to are designed to kill. Everything you try to bring up has a primary function other than killing, what is the primary function of a gun when the trigger is pulled? The average person doesn't shoot to wound, they shoot to kill.

You have yet to answer the only question I have asked you, would murders increase or decrease lets say over a 5 year period, if HANDGUNS were banned. I have asked it 3 or 4 times now, you just fly right over it, because you know the answer would be without question murders would decrease. I've lost friends to gun violence, so my opinion on them really won't budge much

IDK you know the way people work, but they are pretty innovative. Guns are made some place in the world, and making them illegal would drive of the black market sales/value of them. If you dispute that, you're not well versed on how supply-demand works.

You already said it's a self-control human issue so how can you have a problem with such on behalf of the company when you already admitted it's in the control of a human? Whether you tae offense or not, you've already placed the blame on the human.

Gun are designed for whatever the human uses them for (some for recreation, some for defense). Your problem can easily be solved with mandatory training/education (just as we have driver's education, swim classes, AA, campaigns against smoking, etc.)

I'm not answering the question you give because it's an impossible question to answer. If you ban guns at this point (when there are many illegal weapons on the street, whether they are smuggled or stolen) nothing would change unless you want to start violating every citizen's right to privacy, violating another constitutional right (which you personally probably do). Most crimes committed with guns are done with illegal guns, meaning the registration and information link back to a completely different person. So please tell me, what's your plan for re-collecting all these guns that doesn't involve the houses of innocent people, your's included, being ransacked by the military and government? Or is that what you want? Like I said, start getting rid of one of people's rights, pretty soon you'll be shooting for them all. That's the only way your plan works, if that's not the way, things don't change. Not many crimes are committed with legal guns. Once they get rid of those, who's house are they supposed to come for once the violence still persists?

Watch gun control crew come in and say that every citizen's property should be seized and searched. That's the only way this theory of gun control works. There goes not only your 2nd Amendment right, but your 4th as well. I'm pretty sure the 1st won't last long soon after. Be prepared for a war to start.

Edit: And the government knows the deal. 3 of every 10 US citizens owns a gun and 4-5 of out 10 households have at least 1 firearm. They'd be whopped with the quickness if they ever tried something stupid. Over 200 million guns are own in America, the government wants NO part of that. Keep hoping.

 

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Would you prefer a bomb? If I'm a crazy person who wants to kill a bunch of kids quickly, do you think not having a gun is gonna stop me?

Yeah I agree with this logic man. IF a crazy person wants to kill you, he'll find another way to do it so why stop him from getting an automatic weapon? Why not just give him the automatic weapon and let him make the choice between killing everybody or not. What's the difference?

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Yeah I agree with this logic man. IF a crazy person wants to kill you, he'll find another way to do it so why stop him from getting an automatic weapon? Why not just give him the automatic weapon and let him make the choice between killing everybody or not. What's the difference?

How does banning all guns stop a crazy person from getting their hands on one?

Can you explain to me your full proof method of ridding the populace of firearms and cutting homicide rates?

I really want to hear this. Frankly, the US government knows they aren't ready for this war, but some how people who don't own guns or support such are.

 

[Broke Wave]

How does banning all guns stop a crazy person from getting their hands on one?

Can you explain to me your full proof method of ridding the populace of firearms and cutting homicide rates?

I really want to hear this. Frankly, the US government knows they aren't ready for this war, but some how people who don't own guns or support such are.

I'm not saying ban all guns... I'm just advocating for strict restrictions on the ownership, sale , and manufacture of a product that is created primarily to kill human beings.

You think I'm looking for a law that says WELP on day X all you muthafukkas hand in all your guns

I don't have a full proof method for anything friend but I am trying to advocate for ideas and policies which, over a long period of time, will help to reduce the rates of homicides and illegal firearm proliferation. People keep bringing up America's violent "gun-culture" as a reason why they have so many homicides, or their socio-economic situation, but that is simply not the case, the problem is clearly access.

Japan and Germany had far more violent "cultures", and now are quite literally 10 times safer than the United States, despite the latter being a major gun manufacturer. It didn't happen overnight but it happened. This thing should happen in stages friend. Start with an immediate assault weapons ban, then start with a unified state licencing program, then a tracking and reporting program, and finally removing gun shops from the city limits. There are a whole host of sensible and fair gun control policy proposals out there it's only a matter of which one will be best received by the public.

 

[Swirv]

The pic does nothing for me. When it comes to guns you never know who is going to flip and kill ppl. Cops and soldiers can do it too. As far as Obama & gun control thats anotherthing since i havent heard his thoughts.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Japan and Germany had far more violent "cultures", and now are quite literally 10 times safer than the United States, despite the latter being a major gun manufacturer. It didn't happen overnight but it happened. This thing should happen in stages friend. Start with an immediate assault weapons ban, then start with a unified state licencing program, then a tracking and reporting program, and finally removing gun shops from the city limits. There are a whole host of sensible and fair gun control policy proposals out there it's only a matter of which one will be best received by the public.

They also have better educational systems/place much more emphasis on education, better job opportunities, thriving economies, and better social conditions.

Your plan does not work because it does not account for the illegally held guns (which cause +94% of all crimes) and has no way to target such without illegal/unconstitutional searches. Take legal guns from responsible citizens, nothing changes because the ones used in crime have no traceable owner.

I'm not saying ban all guns... I'm just advocating for strict restrictions on the ownership, sale , and manufacture of a product that is created primarily to kill human beings.

Guns aren't created primarily to kill humans. Do humans use them that way? Yes. No manufacturer's/company's mission statement is "...to murder human beings...".

 

[Broke Wave]

They also have better educational systems/place much more emphasis on education, better job opportunities, thriving economies, and better social conditions.

Your plan does not work because it does not account for the illegally held guns (which cause +94% of all crimes) and has no way to target such without illegal/unconstitutional searches. Take legal guns from responsible citizens, nothing changes because the ones used in crime have no traceable owner.



Guns aren't created primarily to kill humans. Do humans use them that way? Yes. No manufacturer's/company's mission statement is "...to murder human beings...".

As far as their economies... America is the richest country in the world... I understand that systemic reasons for violence in the inner city but what you're saying is that ready access to firearms due to a society that thinks like this is somehow not exacerbating the problem.

The way that illegal gun owners get guns is through gun shows, theft and burglary. The problem is that if everyone has guns, they are obviously going to trickle into the streets... it's obvious. Gun shops are knocked over, gun shows with fake information, store fronts that manufacture firearms, and just your run of the mill burglars are the origin of these firearms. This still increases aggregate demand and the manufacturers STILL GET PAID whether the gun is stolen or not.

If you have a tracking and licencing system, you can make sure you have at least some knowledge of where all the firearms are... and gun shows where you can buy must be eliminated totally, as well as online gun purchases.


As far as guns not being created to kill humans... there are hunting rifles... and then there's this.

The mission statement of a firearms manufacturer does not dictate the purpose of its products... Bernie Madoffs mission statement included the words "Conservative Investment"

 

[Strapped]

Yeah, when people tout gun control so much, I don't think they know what they are talking about.

The same people who claim they don't trust the government, will be the same people saying that guns need to be made illegal.

Certain guns should be banned and there should be more rigorous requirements, but making all of them illegal is stupid.

Imagine a country where only the military and police (and criminals) are allowed to hold weapons/firearms?

Sometimes people choose to fukk themselves over when emergencies happen out of fear and short sightedness. A nation where only the military and police own guns is not safe as well.

. People that donot trust the government are the main ones stacking guns boi

 

[HookersandIceCream]

Correlation does not imply causation
OP

 

[DaChampIsHere]

As far as their economies... America is the richest country in the world... I understand that systemic reasons for violence in the inner city but what you're saying is that ready access to firearms due to a society that thinks like this is somehow not exacerbating the problem.

The way that illegal gun owners get guns is through gun shows, theft and burglary. The problem is that if everyone has guns, they are obviously going to trickle into the streets... it's obvious. Gun shops are knocked over, gun shows with fake information, store fronts that manufacture firearms, and just your run of the mill burglars are the origin of these firearms. This still increases aggregate demand and the manufacturers STILL GET PAID whether the gun is stolen or not.
If you have a tracking and licencing system, you can make sure you have at least some knowledge of where all the firearms are... and gun shows where you can buy must be eliminated totally, as well as online gun purchases.
As far as guns not being created to kill humans... there are hunting rifles... and then there's this.
The mission statement of a firearms manufacturer does not dictate the purpose of its products... Bernie Madoffs mission statement included the words "Conservative Investment"

And what you are saying that is making firearms illegal somehow reduces crime. No, if anything, you will start seeing a spike in people retaliating and defending their rights, first of all. Secondly, when criminals don't have to worry about other's being able to protect themselves, they will pretty much have free reign on the property of others.

Guns don't stop working breh and they don't stop being sold. Stop making them here, another country will supply them because there's a need. You will be in another thread saying government is corrupt and that cops are corrupt as well. Knowing both of those, you don't think it's possible for people to still get their hands on guns?

Madoff's situation is different in that is was a scheme. There is no relation to a straight up funds for product exchange.

People that donot trust the government are the main ones stacking guns boi

Ain't that the point?

You still followin' me.

 

[Loose]

Malta destroying dudes one by one in this thread



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as usual Dacacishere in here Cacalacking it up.

 

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