Communism>>>>>>Capitalism

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its because a purely communist state has never existed. cuba was not communism in any sense of the word.

and lets not act like capitalism is doing so great. and everything is going great. :snoop:
My dude, just because you are unwilling to work to make bread for yourself does not mean everybody has to lower their standards in life & practice communism.

Do you hear yourself?
 

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you only 23. i can see why your immature ass cant have a civil discussion. maybe you should go back to school friend.

I'm actually in grad school. Maybe you should get your high school diploma before giving ME advice? :ld:
 

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Communism has not worked because the idiots that claim to be Marxists fukked up and got greedy and bankrupted their countries (Stalinist Leninism, etc.)...nobody has actually implemented traditional Marxist Leninism in history, so we don't know if it will work or not;

I personally prefer a Du Bois version of Neo-Marxism, but that hasn't been implemented either; you should read Cedric Robinson's Black Marxism; great book

i said that above but without the big words.
 

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My dude, just because you are unwilling to work to make bread for yourself does not mean everybody has to lower their standards in life & practice communism.

Do you hear yourself?

youre a dumbass. this isnt why i made this thread. catch feelings and make every thread about @yo moms because you want his dikk in your ass brehs. :snoop:

if you cant add anything to the discussion theres vacancies on my ignore list.
 

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Communism has not worked because the idiots that claim to be Marxists fukked up and got greedy and bankrupted their countries (Stalinist Leninism, etc.)...nobody has actually implemented traditional Marxist Leninism in history, so we don't know if it will work or not;

I personally prefer a Du Bois version of Neo-Marxism, but that hasn't been implemented either; you should read Cedric Robinson's Black Marxism; great book
Read up on Lenin's New Economic Policy. Even he realized pure communism wouldnt work.

New Economic Policy
he New Economic Policy (NEP) was based around a tax called prodnalog, which was a tax on food. By introducing a tax, Lenin was essentially admitting that he was taxing something people owned. Requisition had forcibly taken food under War Communism. Prodnalog taxed people at a lower level than the level set for requisition and allowed them to keep the rest of what they produced. Food that was left could be sold – hence, the peasants had an incentive to grow as much as they could knowing that they could keep what was not taxed. The amount of grain taxed in 1922 was half of the grain taken by force in 1920-21. The same was true for the tax on potatoes. The tax on food allowed the cities to be fed and gave the farmers an incentive to produce as much as was humanly possibly.

In 1924, the food tax prodnalog was replaced by a tax on money. This was a natural move. The peasants still had a very good incentive to grow as much as was possible. They were allowed to travel to the towns/cities to sell their produce. The process needed a middle man and as a result private enterprise developed. In theory there were restrictions on private trade but they were not enforced. Those in power knew that the cities needed feeding and the system that had developed after War Communism allowed for this.

In October 1921, Lenin admitted that there could be no going back to the limitations imposed by the dogmas of War Communism.

“We are in desperate straights. We must buy from whom we can and we must sell to whom we can. The party would have to learn to trade.”
The economic freedom that the NEP introduced restored Lenin and the Bolsheviks to political power – but it also expanded Russia’s economic base. Lenin admitted that War Communism had been “a grievous error”.

The NEP was discussed at the 10th Party Congress. The Congress recognised that drastic measures were needed in the face of rebellions by both peasants and workers. The Congress supported the abolition of requisition and the introduction of a food tax. Lenin forced through change by threatening to resign if his ideas were not adopted.

The NEP represented a radical break with the party’s doctrine. There were those who were fundamentally opposed to it. The main opponent initially was Bukharin but even he ended up supporting it after Lenin’s threat of resignation.

There were two reasons why some objected to the NEP:

1) The planned economy that the Bolsheviks had so desired was being sacrificed. Those who most benefited from the NEP would be the peasant smallholder – the natural enemy of socialism.

2) Marx believed that the political superstructure of every society was based on its economic base. If the economic base was to become a free market, it seemed inevitable that sooner or later the political superstructure would have to conform with the economic base. Alongside of revived capitalism, the political features of the bourgeois state would replace the socialism believed to have been won in the November 1917 revolution.

Lenin argued that the only way the revolution could be saved was with the support and agreement of the peasants. Lenin argued that the direct transition to communism had been a mistake and that the first stage to communism had to be the acceptance of small-scale production with state capitalism. Lenin then believed that Russia would then proceed to socialism and then to communism. Lenin claimed that the peasants could not be converted overnight. It would take “generations but not centuries”. (Lenin)

By 1922, with a tax limited to just 10%, the success of the NEP was obvious. In 1921, Russia had faced famine. By May 1922, this fear had subsided and by 1923, agricultural production was at a healthy 75% of the 1913 level. Light industry also benefited from the healthy situation found in agriculture. They had to produce goods for the peasants and the success of the peasants stimulated production in light industry. However, heavy industry did not benefit from the success in agriculture. In 1922, 500,000 were unemployed in the heavy industry sector.
 

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i said that above but without the big words.

lol it aint about big words, but you realize that there are about a dozen versions of Socialism? marxist-Leninism is the best version from Marx and Engels, but they neglected race in their criticism of the bourgeois and petty bourgeois. That's why CLR James, Du Bois, and Cedric Robinson outline a neo-Marxist model that incorporates race and class into sculpting a political economy. Castro, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. all fukked up traditional Marxist-Leninism because they secretly wanted to be dictators;

No bullshyt, if you are really interested in how it all works, you should read Du Bois' Black Reconstruction, anything from CLR James, and Black marxism from Robinson[DOUBLEPOST=1397603983][/DOUBLEPOST]
Read up on Lenin's New Economic Policy. Even he realized pure communism wouldnt work.

New Economic Policy

I did. I know Communism won't work because it is not a true representation of Marx; and Lenin was not a Marxist. He mutated it; That's why Neo-Marxist-leninism is the best version because it blends 3 version together to fix the inconsistencies.
 

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youre a dumbass. this isnt why i made this thread. catch feelings and make every thread about @yo moms because you want his dikk in your ass brehs. :snoop:

if you cant add anything to the discussion theres vacancies on my ignore list.
:what:So you derail everybody else's threads with your lame personal plight but when it's your thread it's not okay?
 

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people who defend capitalism do not understand capitalism... you're backing the system that saw your forefathers stolen from africa and enslaved, the system that oppresses blacks

in these debates people will only highlight the failures of communism

PS socialism works for us, capitalism works against us.thats all
 
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lol it aint about big words, but you realize that there are about a dozen versions of Socialism? marxist-Leninism is the best version from Marx and Engels, but they neglected race in their criticism of the bourgeois and petty bourgeois. That's why CLR James, Du Bois, and Cedric Robinson outline a neo-Marxist model that incorporates race and class into sculpting a political economy. Castro, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. all fukked up traditional Marxist-Leninism because they secretly wanted to be dictators;

No bullshyt, if you are really interested in how it all works, you should read Du Bois' Black Reconstruction, anything from CLR James, and Black marxism from Robinson.

:wow:[DOUBLEPOST=1397604555][/DOUBLEPOST]
:what:So you derail everybody else's threads with your lame personal plight but when it's your thread it's not okay?

so you have nothing to add on communism vs capitalism? okay then. welcome to my ignore list.
 

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Communism is the dumbest fukking idea ever
Why

because it goes against human nature
In no way can it succeed due to human nature
So therefor its a stupid fukking idea

Show me a nikka that will take a Corolla over a Ferrari so 10 other random fukks could have a car
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Show me a nikka that will take a Corolla over a Ferrari so 10 other random fukks could have a car
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I would gladly take a corolla if 10 other brehs who had no cars could get them. A fukking farrarri or what people call a popular car doesn't get to me like that. As long as I can get around, I'm good.
 

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Communism is the dumbest fukking idea ever
Why

because it goes against human nature
In no way can it succeed due to human nature
So therefor its a stupid fukking idea

Show me a nikka that will take a Corolla over a Ferrari so 10 other random fukks could have a car
[/end thread]​
:banderas:
 

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