Comparing Pac and Biggie is like comparing Spielberg and Tarantino

Bondye Vodou

Proud practitioner of the "High Science"
Joined
Jan 5, 2013
Messages
13,716
Reputation
2,754
Daps
51,536
:russell:
Biggie went plat first :myman:
Biggie went Diamond first :myman:
Biggie is the most quoted EMCEE among his peers. :myman:
Ballerina Pac still ain't got an album fukking with RTD:myman:

One nikka got hot off his music, the other nikka used controversy & fukkery to move units:rudy:

don't ever compare the two. :camby:
 

EBK String

Better Ring String
Supporter
Joined
Nov 8, 2017
Messages
31,370
Reputation
6,595
Daps
306,382
Definitely don't agree with him about Kanye for obvious reasons but everything else he says is pretty accurate



ok Pac said his rhymes so much better than everyone else his bars were irrelevant.
 

Smokin Rider

I been official
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
9,647
Reputation
2,360
Daps
33,211
Reppin
Seattle SuperChronic
Bullshyt, Big was everywhere in the mid 90's. MTV and BET played his videos around the fukkin clock.

:gucci:


They played a lot of bullshyt around the clock, the fact his biggest mainstream songs were remixes of pop songs helped too. He wouldn't have been as big as he is without Pac and the fact he died after Pac and their beef. He would have gone down as a fat Fabolous without Pac. The fact remains you can talk about Pac without mentioning Biggie but you cant do it vice versa. The whole world knows Pac is the GOAT, even New York but there's a portion of you New Yorkers who have a complex and try to grasp at straws to claim a GOAT :pachaha:
 

spliz

SplizThaDon
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
63,488
Reputation
9,855
Daps
211,394
Reppin
NY all day..Da Stead & BK..
Definitely don't agree with him about Kanye for obvious reasons but everything else he says is pretty accurate


I really cant stand Clark Kent's Jay Z dikkriding and it seems like all them NY DJ nikkas in general really be hating on Pac somethin serious. And let's get it straight here. I can bet u 90% of them dont know majority of Pac's music to have such brash opinions on him. nikkas be talkin bout his bars and emcee skills and dont know the majority of his shyt. I dont like the way Nas gets treated either and he checks ALL their boxes and then some. Ya boy @kingofnyc is fine with Eminem being ranked on a top 5 list over Nas as long as Biggie is number one. nikka clearly dont give a fukk about nobody else in that Billboard list I posted. As long as Biggie is number 1.
 

KingSol81

Superstar
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
7,342
Reputation
3,388
Daps
17,169
:patrice: Hmmm, this leaves me more confused, all the things he said as the definition of MCing is stuff that describes rappers like E-40 (saying fly shyt, stuff you wouldnt think of to rhyme about, colourful descriptive language in the rhymes) and as has been pointed out so many times by elite Brooklyn MCs such as The Notorious Biggie Smalls and AZ, premiere basketball players of their era such as Rasheed Wallace and legendary DJs and radio personalities Funkmaster Flex and Peter Rosenburg, E-40 most certainly is not an MC and by most accounts not that good of a rapper either. But according to Clark Kent things like flow, intonation and the style in which you say your rhymes are attributes of rapping and not MCing so that would not affect it. Dialect and location also apparently do not have a bearing on whether or not one can be considered an MC. So yeah, still pretty confused as to the definition of an MC. When I first started listening to this music I thought I understood what an MC was, it was actually a pretty simple definition, a master of ceremonies, someone who can move the crowd with the words they said. But in the late 80s that all changed, and so began a 30 plus year debate as to what was and what was not MCing and who was and who was not a real MC. Ive watched many of the documentaries and read much of the literature on this subject and still am no closer to finding an asnwer. I have even studied and found patterns in the top 10, 20 and 50 greatest MCs lists by apparent hip hop credible publications and outlets such as Billboard, Complex, XXL, MTV and The Rolling Stones Magazine. Unfortunately those patterns did not lead to any conclusive definition as the patterns were based on location, distinct dialects and what labels they were signed to and as most MC authoritarians will tell you, those things dont have anything to do with who gets to hold the title of MC
 
Last edited:

ThirdAct

Superstar
Joined
Jun 15, 2017
Messages
8,569
Reputation
2,204
Daps
40,511
:gucci:


They played a lot of bullshyt around the clock, the fact his biggest mainstream songs were remixes of pop songs helped too. He wouldn't have been as big as he is without Pac and the fact he died after Pac and their beef. He would have gone down as a fat Fabolous without Pac. The fact remains you can talk about Pac without mentioning Biggie but you cant do it vice versa. The whole world knows Pac is the GOAT, even New York but there's a portion of you New Yorkers who have a complex and try to grasp at straws to claim a GOAT :pachaha:

:mjlol:Pac stans, turning this into a GOAT convo...I ain't arguing about who the GOAT is, just the notion that Big wasn't one of the biggest rappers in the 90's...cool if Pac is ya favorite rapper, but let's not rewrite history breh

Bottom line they both legends :to:
 

jelanitsunami

i got like 6 names I can be anybody
Joined
Sep 6, 2015
Messages
577
Reputation
150
Daps
3,300
Pac made music from a first person persepctive. Big did too at moments but exaggerated for entertainment purposes.

Big was a clearly better technical lyricist. 5 star prospect that could flow effortlessly on any beat no matter the style of song. Pac showed more emotional depth and had a wider subject matter. Connected emotionally with his base than arguably any rapper ever.

Both 2 of the great talents to ever rap. I think Big is the most talented hip hop artist to ever live but Pac is definitely legend in his own right. Both left earth too early.
 

Knicksman20

Superstar
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
17,603
Reputation
5,685
Daps
49,702
Reppin
NY
I really cant stand Clark Kent's Jay Z dikkriding and it seems like all them NY DJ nikkas in general really be hating on Pac somethin serious. And let's get it straight here. I can bet u 90% of them dont know majority of Pac's music to have such brash opinions on him. nikkas be talkin bout his bars and emcee skills and dont know the majority of his shyt. I dont like the way Nas gets treated either and he checks ALL their boxes and then some. Ya boy @kingofnyc is fine with Eminem being ranked on a top 5 list over Nas as long as Biggie is number one. nikka clearly dont give a fukk about nobody else in that Billboard list I posted. As long as Biggie is number 1.

His dikkriding is annoying AF about Jay but I agree with him on his base point about the difference between a rapper/emcee. And I can see your point about these dj's not knowing enough of Tupac's catalogue to say certain things either. Em has no business in a top 5 or even 10 of a GOAT list as well as Kendrick or Wayne. Nas is top 3 hands down to me & I wouldn't argue with anyone that has him at 1 either. To me Tupac was a great rapper but I think he's a tier below the elite emcee's (Big, Jay, Nas, Rakim ect...)
 

Knicksman20

Superstar
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
17,603
Reputation
5,685
Daps
49,702
Reppin
NY
:patrice: Hmmm, this leaves me more confused, all the things he said as the definition of MCing is stuff that describes rappers like E-40 (saying fly shyt, stuff you wouldnt think of to rhyme about, colourful descriptive language in the rhymes) and as has been pointed out so many times by elite Brooklyn MCs such as The Notorious Biggie Smalls and AZ, premiere basketball players of their era such as Rasheed Wallace and legendary DJs and radio personalities Funkmaster Flex and Peter Rosenburg, E-40 most certainly is not an MC and by most accounts not that good of a rapper either. But according to Clark Kent things like flow, intonation and the style in which you say your rhymes are attributes of rapping and not MCing so that would not affect it. Dialect and location also apparently do not have a bearing on whether or not one can be considered an MC. So yeah, still pretty confused as to the definition of an MC. When I first started listening to this music I thought I understood what an MC was, it was actually a pretty simple definition, a master of ceremonies, someone who can move the crowd with the words they said. But in the late 80s that all changed, and so began a 30 plus year debate as to what was and what was not MCing and who was and who was not a real MC. Ive watched many of the documentaries and read much of the literature on this subject and still am no closer to finding an asnwer. I have even studied and found patterns in the top 10, 20 and 50 greatest MCs lists by apparent hip hop credible publications and outlets such as Billboard, Complex, XXL, MTV and The Rolling Stones Magazine. Unfortunately those patterns did not lead to any conclusive definition as the patterns were based on location, distinct dialects and what labels they were signed to and as most MC authoritarians will tell you, those things dont have anything to do with who gets to hold the title of MC


Clark Kent's main points are rappers are the image, record selling ability, popularity, & main stream attention. The emcee is that pure lyrical ability
 

KingSol81

Superstar
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
7,342
Reputation
3,388
Daps
17,169
Clark Kent's main points are rappers are the image, record selling ability, popularity, & main stream attention. The emcee is that pure lyrical ability
Right, but based off of the definitions of what "lyrical ability" is rappers who possess all those qualities are still labeled as not being MCs, such as E-40 who I mentioned, members of Bone Thugs, most rappers from the Bay, the Midwest and the South get the "not a real MC" label, even rappers with "MC" in their names often get dismissed as "gangsta rappers" so I have to wonder if this "MC" label is maybe a loose term that over the years has lost its meaning and everyone just defines it differently with their own bias.
 

Knicksman20

Superstar
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
17,603
Reputation
5,685
Daps
49,702
Reppin
NY
Right, but based off of the definitions of what "lyrical ability" is rappers who possess all those qualities are still labeled as not being MCs, such as E-40 who I mentioned, members of Bone Thugs, most rappers from the Bay, the Midwest and the South get the "not a real MC" label, even rappers with "MC" in their names often get dismissed as "gangsta rappers" so I have to wonder if this "MC" label is maybe a loose term that over the years has lost its meaning and everyone just defines it differently with their own bias.

Nah bro. It's just the emcees you mentioned (like E-40 & a couple members of Bone) are a tier or 2 below the elite ones. Bone as a whole gets more of a rapper label because they were never truly considered "lyrical" like other groups were like Wu
 

kingofnyc

Superstar
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
27,698
Reputation
1,482
Daps
56,329
Reppin
Boogie Down BX
Wayne cant think to make some shyt that is as lyrical and poignant as this.

"Can you picture my prophecy?
Stress in the city, the cops is on top of me
The projects is full of bullets
Though bodies is droppin' there ain't no stoppin' me
Constantly movin' while makin' millions
Witnessin' killings, leavin' dead bodies in abandoned buildings
Can't reach the children, 'cause they're illin'
Addicted to killin' and the appeal from the cap peelin'
Without feelin', but will they last or be blasted?
Hard-headed b*stard, maybe he'll listen in his casket
The aftermath: more bodies bein' buried
I'm losin' my homies in a hurry, they're relocatin' to the cemetery
Got me worried, stressin', my vision's blurry
The question is will I live, no one in the world loves me
I'm headed for danger, don't trust strangers
Put one in the chamber whenever I'm feelin' this anger
Don't wanna make excuses
'Cause this is how it is, what's the use?
Unless we're shootin', no one notices the youth
It's just me against the world, baby"

Eminem, while technically skilled. Doesnt have the music quality, subject matter, nor the iconic voice and delivery that Pac did. Just fukkin no. And I said Eminem dont belong on a list before Nas. If u believe he does u smoking crack in the purest form.

music quality = has nothing to do with MCing/Rapping

subject matter = is subjective, if positive matter was so important into MC/Raps then Chuck D would go down as the GOAT

voice = (u most definitely got this one) pac had one of the best voice in history, em’s voice is slightly above average

delivery = pac was good, but em’s is way better & has flipped different styles while pac pretty much had his 1 signature delivery


AGAIN
i said im not the biggest Em fan - IMO or on my top 10 list he comes in at number 8 or 9
 

kingofnyc

Superstar
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
27,698
Reputation
1,482
Daps
56,329
Reppin
Boogie Down BX
:gucci:


They played a lot of bullshyt around the clock, the fact his biggest mainstream songs were remixes of pop songs helped too. He wouldn't have been as big as he is without Pac and the fact he died after Pac and their beef. He would have gone down as a fat Fabolous without Pac. The fact remains you can talk about Pac without mentioning Biggie but you cant do it vice versa. The whole world knows Pac is the GOAT, even New York but there's a portion of you New Yorkers who have a complex and try to grasp at straws to claim a GOAT :pachaha:

UnhealthyNecessaryAnemoneshrimp-small.gif


you AVOIDED my reply from your OP

explain your stupidity
when biggie went platinum 1st & pac had a 4 year head start

  • men lie
  • women lie
  • numbers dont

:umad:
 

kingofnyc

Superstar
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
27,698
Reputation
1,482
Daps
56,329
Reppin
Boogie Down BX
I really cant stand Clark Kent's Jay Z dikkriding and it seems like all them NY DJ nikkas in general really be hating on Pac somethin serious. And let's get it straight here. I can bet u 90% of them dont know majority of Pac's music to have such brash opinions on him. nikkas be talkin bout his bars and emcee skills and dont know the majority of his shyt. I dont like the way Nas gets treated either and he checks ALL their boxes and then some. Ya boy @kingofnyc is fine with Eminem being ranked on a top 5 list over Nas as long as Biggie is number one. nikka clearly dont give a fukk about nobody else in that Billboard list I posted. As long as Biggie is number 1.

:stopitslime:
breh - like how many times i said im not the biggest Eminem fan
:snoop:






add on
as far as pac & nyc DJ’s ... you come off like the typical pac stan that hates new york
the fact is- pac was hardly played in nyc before his beef with the east coast (i just dont understand why nikkaz catch feeling bout this, i mean its a bunch of articles from some of the greatest hip hop writers/editors ever that never felt pac music)

yall gotta STOP acting like it was some east coast west coast thing - the truth is like i posted earlier in this thread most considered him nothing more than mediocre
 
Last edited:
Top