Conservatives take another L this week; same sex marriage passes

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“Since well before 1787, liberty has been understood as freedom from government action, not entitlement to government benefits,” Thomas writes. Working from this principle, Thomas insists that the petitioners in the case “have in no way been deprived” of their liberty.
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Just wow.

@DEAD7 we've found your father.

It would have been a better joke if you'd said uncle.

EDIT: Anyway, I see the point he's trying to make. But most people who support same-sex marriage (or marriage in general) would not define it as a mere set of government entitlements. Roberts' dissent makes more sense from a legal standpoint.
 

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It doesnt, but if black people fall under the definition of "men" then enslavement of black people would be incompatible with the Declaration of Independence

Yes, but the Declaration of Independence isn't law.
The constitution EXPRESSLY states that not all the inalienable rights are stated in its body
True, just saying from a legal standpoint, it would be difficult to argue that slavery was prohibited under the Constitution especially given that the authors of the Constitution owned slaves. Seems the founding fathers were intentionally vague on this in the hope that future legislation would end the practice.
 

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Yes, but the Declaration of Independence isn't law.

True, just saying from a legal standpoint, it would be difficult to argue that slavery was prohibited under the Constitution especially given that the authors of the Constitution owned slaves. Seems the founding fathers were intentionally vague on this in the hope that future legislation would end the practice.

The Declaration of Independence isn't law, but like I said, my whole premise assumes black people fall under the term "men" in the constitution. Black people didn't have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the right to bear arms, due process, equal protection, etc. You have to look at the DOI/Bill of Rights holistically, slaves obviously did not have the protection of the Constitution. You can't just pick out random parts or omissions and claim that they did not forbid slavery, the practice of slavery itself and the rights denied to the slaves (if the slaves are "men" under the constitution) were in clear violation of the Bill of Rights
 

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The Declaration of Independence isn't law, but like I said, my whole premise assumes black people fall under the term "men" in the constitution. Black people didn't have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the right to bear arms, due process, equal protection, etc.
Like I said "men" isn't anywhere in the Constitution that I can find, instead it refers to "persons" who can be enslaved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artic..._Constitution#Clause_3:_Fugitive_Slave_Clause

You have to look at the DOI/Bill of Rights holistically, slaves obviously did not have the protection of the Constitution. You can't just pick out random parts or omissions and claim that they did not forbid slavery, the practice of slavery itself and the rights denied to the slaves (if the slaves are "men" under the constitution) were in clear violation of the Bill of Rights

Which one?
I don't think any of the Bill of Rights prohibit slavery either.
Bear in mind the Constitution implicitly refers to slavery on several occasions.
http://ashbrook.org/publications/respub-v6n1-boyd/
 

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Here Are the Best Memes That Capture Obama’s Swagger During This Historic Week
By Laura Bradley


Barack Obama must be feeling pretty good about the change under his “lame duck” presidency this week. On Thursday, he scored a major victory when the Supreme Court upheld the subsidies in his healthcare reform bill. On Monday, the governor of South Carolina finally called for the removal of the Confederate flag at the state capitol. And on Friday, the Supreme Court ruled against gay marriage bans. To celebrate this momentous week, clever folks across social media have been channeling their excitement into memes of Obama with rainbows, eagles, and ... unicorns? We’ll keep this page updated with the best of the bunch:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...vines_and_gifs_capturing_obama_s_swagger.html
 
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Don't forget this gem from today's dissent:

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One the most insane things I've ever seen him write, honestly.
Can someone please explain to me what the fukk is the point he is trying to make?
 
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