Conway is Playing GOAT on IG Live

[TheDarceKnight]

No way they get samples cleared. Interscope isn't getting sued over a project that won't sell/stream 20k in a year.

In that case, just forget the packaging and retail stuff. I'd rather have the G.O.A.T., Hall & Nash 2, and Griselda and the Blazettes albums drop on Soundcloud or Datpiff than not have it at all.



I hope we don't end up in a situation where Reject 2 ends up being the best project that Conway ever drops. if so, I guess I'm willing to accept it. I bumped it the other day, and it's a damn near perfect EP.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Yo @Piff Perkins

So Evidence is dropping an album on Rhymesayers next month. How is that a label like Rhymesayers, which is much smaller than Interscope, can get away with not even clearing most of their samples? I use that example because both Griselda and Evidence like to use Producers like Alchemist, Daringer, DJ Premier, 9th Wonder, etc. Guys that sample heavy.

I used to work for an indy label in the mid 00's (not nearly as big as Rhymesayers or Stones Throw) but I know that a lot of projects we did, the producers would not even submit sample sources if they thought they were obscure and/or chopped up enough.

But I guess the internet is too savvy these days? Do labels like Stones Throw or Rhymesayers still bother clearing samples, or do they just know they don't have the cash flow of an Interscope, so they're less likely to get sued?

Because I do remember when Little Brother got signed by Atlantic, they DID have to submit all the samples on that one.

What if Interscope is only there for promotion, but not distribution?

Thanks!

 

[Piff Perkins]

Yo @Piff Perkins

So Evidence is dropping an album on Rhymesayers next month. How is that a label like Rhymesayers, which is much smaller than Interscope, can get away with not even clearing most of their samples? I use that example because both Griselda and Evidence like to use Producers like Alchemist, Daringer, DJ Premier, 9th Wonder, etc. Guys that sample heavy.

I used to work for an indy label in the mid 00's (not nearly as big as Rhymesayers or Stones Throw) but I know that a lot of projects we did, the producers would not even submit sample sources if they thought they were obscure and/or chopped up enough.

But I guess the internet is too savvy these days? Do labels like Stones Throw or Rhymesayers still bother clearing samples, or do they just know they don't have the cash flow of an Interscope, so they're less likely to get sued?

Because I do remember when Little Brother got signed by Atlantic, they DID have to submit all the samples on that one.

What if Interscope is only there for promotion, but not distribution?

Thanks!

Indie labels have gotten away for decades with using samples for a couple reasons. First the projects don't SHIP or sell much, which means the royalty potential isn't that great. I highlighted the shipping because normally in a royalty suit a lawyer will point out something like "100,000 copies were shipped to Best Buy and Wal Mart across the east coast and Midwest..." which inflates the album's importance. Indies don't have that problem. Whereas imagine a multi billion dollar corporation being accused of that, and the type of financial loss they could take in court.

The other reason is a lot of indie producers do various things to obscure their samples. Reverb, chopping, very obscure records, etc. That's how some major labels got away with samples towards the end of the big sample era. But on the flip side you have guys like Madlib who don't hide their shyt much; he has a lot of tracks that are straight loops. But the products are so under the radar people might not care. And of course if you sample records from obscure artists from now-defunct record labels you can get away with it.

Usually the people who start the legal process are the (grown) children of the sampled artist. They're looking for a check. If the legal process is more expensive than the potential payout they'll let shyt slide. Then there are cases where the children like the music and either let it slide or set up favorable deals for the artist. Just Blaze and Alchemist have talked about becoming friends with people who give them their father's records for like...300k or something like that.

I could be wrong but while Interscope is just distributing, they're still gonna be liable in a legal suit. Especially when that lawyer gets up there and says "this product was shipped by Interscope to xyz stores." Major labels never take sample risks these days, especially with streaming ensuring an album might sell longer than normal.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Indie labels have gotten away for decades with using samples for a couple reasons. First the projects don't SHIP or sell much, which means the royalty potential isn't that great. I highlighted the shipping because normally in a royalty suit a lawyer will point out something like "100,000 copies were shipped to Best Buy and Wal Mart across the east coast and Midwest..." which inflates the album's importance. Indies don't have that problem. Whereas imagine a multi billion dollar corporation being accused of that, and the type of financial loss they could take in court.

The other reason is a lot of indie producers do various things to obscure their samples. Reverb, chopping, very obscure records, etc. That's how some major labels got away with samples towards the end of the big sample era. But on the flip side you have guys like Madlib who don't hide their shyt much; he has a lot of tracks that are straight loops. But the products are so under the radar people might not care. And of course if you sample records from obscure artists from now-defunct record labels you can get away with it.

Usually the people who start the legal process are the (grown) children of the sampled artist. They're looking for a check. If the legal process is more expensive than the potential payout they'll let shyt slide. Then there are cases where the children like the music and either let it slide or set up favorable deals for the artist. Just Blaze and Alchemist have talked about becoming friends with people who give them their father's records for like...300k or something like that.

I could be wrong but while Interscope is just distributing, they're still gonna be liable in a legal suit. Especially when that lawyer gets up there and says "this product was shipped by Interscope to xyz stores." Major labels never take sample risks these days, especially with streaming ensuring an album might sell longer than normal.

Damn, I tried to rep but it told me to slow down. This is super informative.

Yeah, I remember Just Blaze was actually in the car with Bobby Glenn, the guy that made the song that Just Blaze sampled for Song Cry. Pretty sure the guy was driving a limo or a cab something. They got to talking music, and the guy actually asked Just Blaze if he knew who Just Blaze was, because he said "This guy actually sampled an old song I made, and I was able to take the money I made to save a non-profit I have from going out of business."

It was in the Scratch Magazine with Just Blaze on the cover. I always thought that was a cool story. it may have been the guy that made the sample for U Don't Know. I'm not sure. Both guys are named Bobby, and I just remember that was the guy's first name.

As for people becoming friend, I've heard of that too. I know 9th Wonder became close with Robert Alred's son because of a record he sampled for Big Remo, and then the son became cool with 9th sampling his dad's music, and so he kept doing it.

 

[areohbee824]

Can't wait to hear GOAT

Hope Hall N Nash 2 is still coming at some point too

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Can't wait to hear GOAT

Hope Hall N Nash 2 is still coming at some point too

I'm worried that it isn't.

We'll see.

 

[areohbee824]

I'm worried that it isn't.

We'll see.

This ALC beat supposedly from HNN2, track called Judas

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[TheDarceKnight]

This ALC beat supposedly from HNN2, track called Judas

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Sounds dope.

I know the album was made in a weekend and that it's 11 joints.

I'm just worried that we aren't gonna ever get it, because Daringer straight up told my friend that they're having issues over there with Shady about sample clearances.

So my whole thing at this point is that Hall & Nash 2 is either going to not be heard, or it will not be heard how it was intended...because I imagine they will have to cut songs and/or make more, or re-do some of them.

Daringer said that's been a hold up with G.O.A.T. as well.

I still think we're gonna get dope Griselda music. I'm not sweating it. But at the same time my expectations from here on are very low. At the end of the day, if the best projects we ever get from Griselda have already come and gone, like Flygod and Reject 2...I can live with that. They've already had a great run.

 

[areohbee824]

Sounds dope.

I know the album was made in a weekend and that it's 11 joints.

I'm just worried that we aren't gonna ever get it, because Daringer straight up told my friend that they're having issues over there with Shady about sample clearances.

So my whole thing at this point is that Hall & Nash 2 is either going to not be heard, or it will not be heard how it was intended...because I imagine they will have to cut songs and/or make more, or re-do some of them.

Daringer said that's been a hold up with G.O.A.T. as well.

I still think we're gonna get dope Griselda music. I'm not sweating it. But at the same time my expectations from here on are very low. At the end of the day, if the best projects we ever get from Griselda have already come and gone, like Flygod and Reject 2...I can live with that. They've already had a great run.

I agree about Hall N Nash 2, hopefully we still get it. I got pretty excited when RIP Bobby dropped, felt like HNN2 was cooming for a second, then ended up on HWH5. I'm hoping GOAT will join the ranks of Reject 2 & FLYGOD