Cops in Utah Are Responsible for 15% of All Homicides in the State

[hashmander]

and the cop was still all chill like "calm down sir". that cop must have been blazing before he got the call or utah cops really get some training since they interact with mostly white people.

 

[NZA]

there are people that want to make police brutality seem like it is all equally happening everywhere, but when it comes to utah, you have to keep it real. hitting cops with shovels will get you shot. some white people arent used to being treated like suspects and will flip the fukk out on cops simply doing their job. there is a different standard of behavior that gets different people shot, and a lot of these white people getting killed by cops are actually all the way turnt up except for that one case they keep bringing up. it's that cliven bundy mindset without cliven's goons behind them that gets many of them shot.

 

[BlackAchilles]

They really are nothing but the state sponsored gang

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Jesus, you should have linked the video of the cop murdering that poor kid since he was wearing a cam and STILL got off. Chilling.

Seems like once he took the Barry Bonds approach with the shovel he kinda sealed his own fate, no? The guy obviously had some mental/anger issues going on, cop seemed pretty chill imo.

edit: seems like this is the video of the Dillion shooting.. Why did he have his hands hidden?

 

[Type Username Here]

there are people that want to make police brutality seem like it is all equally happening everywhere, but when it comes to utah, you have to keep it real. hitting cops with shovels will get you shot. some white people arent used to being treated like suspects and will flip the fukk out on cops simply doing their job. there is a different standard of behavior that gets different people shot, and a lot of these white people getting killed by cops are actually all the way turnt up except for that one case they keep bringing up. it's that cliven bundy mindset without cliven's goons behind them that gets many of them shot.

Its about meeting force with equivalent force. Nothing else. Its a question about police tactics and power. There is police brutality everywhere.

Now, I agree with you that some communities are more prone to it than others. No one can deny that I think. But holding our tongue because the victim happens to be white , or Asian or anything else because it may across as down playing incidents is absurd.

Can you clarify your point?

 

[hashmander]

if the person in that snow shovel video was black, i would have the same opinion. i'll never get on a cop's case if there is video footage of him being attacked with a shovel and he kills the person while the video is off. what i saw in that video doesn't make me suspicious of the cop's behavior off camera (a camera that was knocked out because the idiot attacked the cop BTW). i'm more inclined to think that the idiot did more off camera to make the cop feel unsafe and needed to be dealt with.

the dillon video is classic coward pig behavior and why i don't question them when they want to see my hands. these fools get jittery when you give them pause to start to think about going home to their families blah blah. they are in the wrong profession and have the backing of society at large (through the representatives we elect) to be cowardly and that's why they get away with shyt like that.

 

[Regular_P]

Seems like once he took the Barry Bonds approach with the shovel he kinda sealed his own fate, no? The guy obviously had some mental/anger issues going on, cop seemed pretty chill imo.

edit: seems like this is the video of the Dillion shooting.. Why did he have his hands hidden?

His hands were in his pockets...he had headphones on...

 

[NZA]

Its about meeting force with equivalent force. Nothing else. Its a question about police tactics and power. There is police brutality everywhere.

Now, I agree with you that some communities are more prone to it than others. No one can deny that I think. But holding our tongue because the victim happens to be white , or Asian or anything else because it may across as down playing incidents is absurd.

Can you clarify your point?

cops exceed force when the situation is dangerous, not match it. they want to gain control of the situation, not have prolonged martial arts bouts with shovel wielding maniacs.

i would never intentionally put a cop (or any person with a pistol) in a situation where it looked like i could take his gun from him and shoot him with it. that's a one way ticket to heaven.

i cant question the cop's tactics in this case. he was within his rights to detain a man who refused to identify during an investigation. he was within his rights to kill a violent man who put him in a precarious position. the decision to wrestle with the cop after knocking him to the ground is what sealed his fate, unfortunately.

the broader point is that this incident is indicative of the broader violent interactions between whites and cops. the whites more often than not are not having their civil rights violated, and are behaving in ways that put the cops in danger. then after lines have been crossed, they get dealt with. this is actually proper policing; the kind of policing minority communities want but often dont get.

with minorities, you often get a violation of a civil right to start the confrontation (stop and frisk, driving while black, etc.), then the right to arrest is often ambiguous because of the unconstitutional nature of the stop. since the right to arrest is now ambiguous, some minorities refuse to comply like this shovel guy, except they may actually have a legal reason not to, but in that moment the cop feels no reason to respect their rights, so physical force happens and the minority is now dead, but dead due to circumstances not as cut and dry as it is in shovel guy's case.

another point is that tactically, minorities are often shot instead of de-escalation. this is probably because the cops dont want to take any more risk than they have to, and they know that society has a higher threshold for black death than it does for white death, so they will kill on sight when they know the suspect is black. cops often do very brave things when an active shooter is white which result in that white man being taken alive no matter how much carnage he has caused, but if there is a no-shots fired call on a black person in public with a gun, cops are more likely to simply kill the black guy first and ask questions later. one only has to look at situations like tamir rice, johnny crawford and compare them to all the known active white shooter situations and see that black people with pelet guns are shot within seconds while white men who actually pulled the trigger are almost always given ample time to calm down and get arrested.

so basically i seriously oppose efforts to muddy the issue. policing is a very racialized issue, and in general, white people receive quality policing.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

That stat is more of a result of the fact the Utah has a very low murder rate.

(1) That makes it WORSE...

(2) The city has a low murder rate, and cops of responsible for 15% of that...WOW...That's HUGE...

(3) When you consider the fact that most people are killed by someone they are acquainted to, if you are new to Utah and you don't know anybody, you are probably going to get killed by a cop than a criminal...

Something is wrong...