Cormega gives MC Hammer his flowers. Hammer responds in the comments

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He's a high minded scholastic type that dates exclusively white women but thinks he's better than you. Smart dude but yeah you know the type. These folks blackness is looked at through a weird lens that ain't real.
Is @Walt pawgset?

Also my autocorrect correctly tried to turn this into hog fest.
 

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When Hammer blew up with the success of the Don't Hurt Em album is where things got too crazy. His first 2 albums were in the same vein as the Kid n Play and others around that time who had that "lane" of hip hop. He was definitely the father of the "secure the bag" with this commercial crossover shyt.

this commercial was too much tho. he got "too" commercial thus the image switch with the Funky Headhunter album.

Music may have been wack to many and was PG rated rap, but he wasn't a c00n and definitely should get some respect put on his name. Music wasn't my cup of tea, but I didn't hate dude.

Dog I had the Hammer doll, I watched Hammerman cartoon on Saturday...this muthafukka was EVERYWHERE lol and I loved it til I hit like...10.

Even by then for me, his music had hit the ceiling and that's alright. It made sense that he kinda became the butt of jokes especially after trying to be gangsta and waving his dikk around in a bananna hammock :laugh:

Move on from the music, crack the jokes, but don't make the man out to be a bad guy because as far as I can tell he's anything but.
 

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Is @Walt pawgset?

Also my autocorrect correctly tried to turn this into hog fest.

I'm a 6'6, 250 pound former athlete. I done fukked everything. Bougie lightskinned, darkskinned Connecticut chicks, white chicks from the midwest, a load of black southern chicks, a Greek, a German, an Eritrean... fukking an Indonesian right now.

:takedat::takedat::takedat:


This board has flipped so insane that now I'm viewing blackness through an uppity lens. Grew up between homelessness and housing project in NYC. My cousins are still in Fort Greene, still affiliated. My aunt still lives in the same Harlem project I grew up in. My cousin's son makes drill music. My uncle's is FOI and in a Mach Hommy video. My cousin is a famous OG rapper. Maybe three people in my family of 150 even sniffed a college campus. I have no idea why cats on this board try to front like they're from the streets and grew up on these scenes. But in the world of the coli, Hammer deserves flowers for being wack and famous, and I'm an uppity negro from the suburbs who hangs with Toure or something.

:dead::dead::dead:
 

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I'm a 6'6, 250 pound former athlete. I done fukked everything. Bougie lightskinned, darkskinned Connecticut chicks, white chicks from the midwest, a load of black southern chicks, a Greek, a German, an Eritrean... fukking an Indonesian right now.

:takedat::takedat::takedat:


This board has flipped so insane that now I'm viewing blackness through an uppity lens. Grew up between homelessness and housing project in NYC. My cousins are still in Fort Greene, still affiliated. My aunt still lives in the same Harlem project I grew up in. My cousin's son makes drill music. My uncle's is FOI and in a Mach Hommy video. My cousin is a famous OG rapper. Maybe three people in my family of 150 even sniffed a college campus. I have no idea why cats on this board try to front like they're from the streets and grew up on these scenes. But in the world of the coli, Hammer deserves flowers for being wack and famous, and I'm an uppity negro from the suburbs who hangs with Toure or something.

:dead::dead::dead:

:salute:


Obviously I’m trolling.

And yes night is day around these parts.

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Hammer would smoke him performance wise but Will got the records.

Girls Aint Nothing but Trouble
Parents Just Don't Understand
Brand New Funk
Miami
Gettin Jiggy
Wild Wild West
MIB
Just the two of us...to bring the crowd back down
Then close it out with "Summertime" and they explode
...then surprise them with the Fresh Prince theme and really close it out

Pack Hammer tf up easy.


Will Smith is actually a hell of a performer minus the dancing. Hammer definitely got him on the dance moves but if Will were to bring out Jazzy Jeff and have him do his legendary scratches it might be a wrap
 
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This isn't necessarily true. Big Daddy Kane danced as hard as Scoob and Scrap and so did alotta other rappers. Erick Sermon, Heavy D, Kid and Play, etc.

Hammer's first album was hard. When his second album crossed over and he blew up the way he did alotta rappers got jealous.

I remember watching Will Smith perform Wild Wild West with Sisqo on some award show when that song was big and I briefly felt sorry for Hammer because that was Hammer 10 years prior. He was just ahead of his time with the big stage shows and commercials and big crossover hits.

The KFC commercial was too much, but alotta other celebs did that shyt too.

Kane is an MC. One of the best ever. Erick, Heavy D, Kid and Play, etc, were known more for rapping or being both. Hammer only danced well. He didn't do anything else good. Of course other rappers danced, that was normal at the time. But Hammer was only known for the dancing. That was the problem. Dude couldn't even conduct an interview on late night TV or other shows, without standing up during them and dancing all over the place. Actual MC's didn't do sh*t like that.

His first album was never really criticized because that was the last time he was decent. After that album, he sold out and started trying to cross over hard. I don’t think rappers were jealous of him. There were other successful rappers at the time. Thing is, they didn't sell out. And the core values of what Hip Hop was at the time, didn't really show in anything Hammer was doing. Mad rappers had endorsement deals and commercials, but he was taking the minstrel show to a different level.

There's just certain sh*t that black artists probably shouldn't be doing. Mary J Blige did a commercial singing with chicken not too long ago, and she asked them to pull the commercial because it wasn't a good look. We all know what we probably shouldn't be doing. But Hammer wanted that bag, so he was willing to dance and do whatever to get it.
 

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Kane is an MC. One of the best ever. Erick, Heavy D, Kid and Play, etc, were known more for rapping or being both. Hammer only danced well. He didn't do anything else good. Of course other rappers danced, that was normal at the time. But Hammer was only known for the dancing. That was the problem. Dude couldn't even conduct an interview on late night TV or other shows, without standing up during them and dancing all over the place. Actual MC's didn't do sh*t like that.

His first album was never really criticized because that was the last time he was decent. After that album, he sold out and started trying to cross over hard. I don’t think rappers were jealous of him. There were other successful rappers at the time. Thing is, they didn't sell out. And the core values of what Hip Hop was at the time, didn't really show in anything Hammer was doing. Mad rappers had endorsement deals and commercials, but he was taking the minstrel show to a different level.

There's just certain sh*t that black artists probably shouldn't be doing. Mary J Blige did a commercial singing with chicken not too long ago, and she asked them to pull the commercial because it wasn't a good look. We all know what we probably shouldn't be doing. But Hammer wanted that bag, so he was willing to dance and do whatever to get it.
I doubt that it was Hammer's idea to attempt to cross over. He wasn't a producer, he was just a dancer/mediocre rapper. I'd bet it was as big of a surprise to him that Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em did as well as it did.

He was a dancer. It wasn't like someone told him to dance to be successful, they said he was known for dancing in the clubs in Oakland before he was ever known for rap. And sure Mary asked them to pull the commercial after she got clowned for it, but she still shot it. That means she was just as willing as Hammer and Jerry Rice and everyone else who did that bullshyt.

I didn't really fukk with his music, but I think it's wrong to try and label him some kinda sellout buckdancer when 10-15 years later Puffy and a whole lotta other rappers were doing the same thing.
 

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I doubt that it was Hammer's idea to attempt to cross over. He wasn't a producer, he was just a dancer/mediocre rapper. I'd bet it was as big of a surprise to him that Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em did as well as it did.

He was a dancer. It wasn't like someone told him to dance to be successful, they said he was known for dancing in the clubs in Oakland before he was ever known for rap. And sure Mary asked them to pull the commercial after she got clowned for it, but she still shot it. That means she was just as willing as Hammer and Jerry Rice and everyone else who did that bullshyt.

I didn't really fukk with his music, but I think it's wrong to try and label him some kinda sellout buckdancer when 10-15 years later Puffy and a whole lotta other rappers were doing the same thing.

You don’t remember the interview he had the he said he wanted to make music that people played outside of just the Bay Area? He wanted to hit radio in all the markets and felt like he wasn't being taken seriously. That's where that whole, 'They said you ain't hittin' in New York, Hammer" skit came from. Dude wanted to be universal.

I agree, I don’t think he could predict how crazy that album would sell. But he changed his whole sh*t up for it. And that's when Cube and mad other rappers started getting on him. Because the switch was so blatant. I don’t have any issues with him because I never really saw him as Hip Hop. But for those of us that grew up in that era, we all knew dude was selling out, lol. That was just common knowledge. He was a pop act. Hammer was rolling around with real gang members and running up on rappers who talked sh*t about him, lol. But he knows he was still on some pop sh*t.
 

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Hammer fukked it up when he tried to go at Michael Jackson. You don't do this to the artist whom you're biting. Especially when it's one of all time greats. Career went downhill fast after 91.
 

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I think it's fine to look back on Hammer fondly in hindsight. He was 'elementary' rap, mostly for kids and the pop tart charts which is why he was loved and hated.

Givin it up for him as an entertainer, as someone who opened doors commercially is something I can rock with. But let's be honest in the same breath. In real time, a lot of people had plenty of justifiable gripes with him and his influence on the culture.


The older I get, the less I care about social commentary coming from entertainers, because they tend to pick and choose when to show concern.

I never liked the way people turned on Hammer, called him a sellout or how he was seemingly shunned. There were artists back then who had just as big of an influence whoring themselves out promoting a far more dangerous substance in malt liquor and they never faced the same scrutiny.
 

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Hammer deserves flowers for being wack and famous, and I'm an uppity negro from the suburbs who hangs with Toure or something.

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