Could A Society Be Powered By Love?

[DPresidential]

@UltimateSource Breh... I feel you.
Much like African tribes, Native tribes had conflicts.

I don't know if it was on the European scale of being genocidal but... people died and blood was shed regarding territory.

 

[UltimateSource]

@UltimateSource Breh... I feel you.
Much like African tribes, Native tribes had conflicts.

I don't know if it was on the European scale of being genocidal but... people died and blood was shed regarding territory.

Shame certain people cant live off the land like they used to.

 

[AlainLocke]

Then how did any civilization begin if it wasn't some natural force?

In primitive societies...it is already like what you state in the premise...people freely associate...based off of traditions and customs...not property relationships


Western Society is based off the premise that coercive force is required to create civilization.

That free association isn't possible.

Therefore we create a contract with this racketeering force aka Government...we won't overthrow it as long as it treats us right...

and the Government uses "the fear of god" to keep us from hurting each other, since we are afraid of each other.

Essentially Western society has the world being created out of fear.

Leviathan (book) - Wikipedia
Read...The Leviathan...

 

[UltimateSource]

In primitive societies...it is already like what you state in the premise...people freely associate...based off of traditions and customs...not property relationships


Western Society is based off the premise that coercive force is required to create civilization.

That free association isn't possible.

Therefore we create a contract with this racketeering force aka Government...we won't overthrow it as long as it treats us right...

and the Government uses "the fear of god" to keep us from hurting each other, since we are afraid of each other.

Essentially Western society has the world being created out of fear.

Leviathan (book) - Wikipedia
Read...The Leviathan...

Its quite amazing how the human race has been "driven" moreso than "living "for the past 2000 years.

Fascinating.

 

[Black Cobain]

I meant, when did money come into play? Prior to money everything was barter and trade, if that no? Money is an alien concept forced on humanity at some point by whomever with the most power.

When trade really started to flourish, people realized some commodities weren't always fit to travel that long, stored, etc. So very early on, raw metals were used to trade instead.

It really isn't that much of an alien concept, more objects equalling more power and vice versa, look at the Big Man concept in Polynesia

Big man (anthropology) - Wikipedia

 

[AintNoCrampInYaMouthTho]

Stop reading them Disney books

 

[RAX 010]

 

[UltimateSource]

When trade really started to flourish, people realized some commodities weren't always fit to travel that long, stored, etc. So very early on, raw metals were used to trade instead.

It really isn't that much of an alien concept, more objects equalling more power and vice versa, look at the Big Man concept in Polynesia

Big man (anthropology) - Wikipedia

So do you believe its mankinds destiny to never evolve past capitalism?

 

[Black Cobain]

So do you believe its mankinds destiny to never evolve past capitalism?

Socialism is an optimistic ideology, globalism has effectively stopped socialism from being a thing outside a college classroom or a forum debate. Prior to globalism it was realistic, there were only two worlds, the developed world and the developing world. Look at the world now, China and Russia, former bastions of anti-Capitalism are actively promoting and aiding it.

Only part of mankind I worry and care about is the African diaspora, I think we should use capitalism for our own gain.

 

[Kwéyòl]

love cant exist in a capitalistic democracy

Infact to be super successful you have to the exact opposite of loving . You gotta be Conniving, greedy, selfish . Try to be nice and someone's gonna try and walk all over and take advantage of that niceness.

 

[AlainLocke]

So do you believe its mankinds destiny to never evolve past capitalism?

Nah...it's gonna happen.

The nature of capitalism creates crisis and there are too many contradictions in capitalism.

What sense does it make that a capitalist wants to pay his employees as least as possible but charge for his product as much as possible...

What sense does it make that a capitalist would fire his workers in times of crisis but then complain that nobody can buy his goods...

What sense does it make that a capitalist would manufacture goods that he has to create a demand for...instead of creating goods that people actually need...

There are many more contradictions and bad logic in capitalism

USA and Hong Kong are two nations with some of the greatest inequality that has never been seen before. Other European nations...not so much. They are less capitalistic.

Capitalism is a necessary stage in human history since it created a lot of freedom. But it is an unstable system...

 

[UltimateSource]

"Love cant exist in a capitalistic democracy"

It can exist, it just cant always be sustained. Which is even worse.

 

[AlainLocke]

Socialism is an optimistic ideology, globalism has effectively stopped socialism from being a thing outside a college classroom or a forum debate. Prior to globalism it was realistic, there were only two worlds, the developed world and the developing world. Look at the world now, China and Russia, former bastions of anti-Capitalism are actively promoting and aiding it.

Only part of mankind I worry and care about is the African diaspora, I think we should use capitalism for our own gain.

China isn't capitalistic...

China is a market socialist economy, that is lead by communism ideology.

Vietnam and China are both market socialist economies that are lead by communism ideology.

They never stopped being communist, they just realized markets are necessary to build capital.

Much of China and Vietnam is government owned.

Globalism actually made Socialism and Communism possible.

 

[Black Cobain]

China isn't capitalistic...

China is a market socialist economy, that is lead by communism ideology.

Vietnam and China are both market socialist economies that are lead by communism ideology.

They never stopped being communist, they just realized markets are necessary to build capital.

Much of China and Vietnam is government owned.

Globalism actually made Socialism and Communism possible.

Huh, I kept associating Dengism with Capitalism, my fault.

As for the bolded, USSR's Internationalism is different from modern Globalism, if only by ideology. If you're talking about the early spread of Communism and Socialism via Western Europe then I agree with that.

 

[Adidacs]

humanity has a long way to go before that is possible

it is theoretically possible, yes

there are people alive now who could create and exist in a utopian society

but the ones who can't/don't want to outnumber those people drastically

add to that, beings with traits we characterize as "evil" naturally prosper and dominate in this world