COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

[Dr. Acula]

You don't know this, do you?

Theres been more than enough reporting about the weak security at their BSL4 labs going back FIVE years.

What more do you need? The actual "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE USA" memo???

Show me the science behind this escaping from the lab or if you want to claim the more salacious theory of it being bioengineered? Until they do that, I'm not buying it.

China has no standards in a lot of shyt. Their escalators eat people there for god sake . Buildings built in 10 days topple over and crumble like styrofoam (If it isn't made of styrofoam literally). So the fact security was weak and safety standards were lacking is not surprising but even so this is still not proof that this either was bioengineered or escaped from the lab.

Again, all that is being asked is to show proof. Right now, only speculation has been released. The only hard scientific evidence presented about the origins of the virus up to this point has shown this is organic like most viruses.
The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here's how we know. | Live Science

The Joint Cheifs of Staff for the Pentagon said as recently as yesterday that evidence shows anything but this being man made or escaping from a lab
Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman says evidence suggests coronavirus was not man-made or released from lab

This is the problem by the way with having a guy in office who has no credibility anymore and lies almost every day. At least when previous administrations lied, they had some credibility in other ways or didn't insult our intelligence to such a degree that we knew from the get-go they were lying. No one believes the US anymore, at least to the extent they did before. Lying is so much the norm that is the default expectation now.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Show me the science behind this escaping from the lab or if you want to claim the more salacious theory of it being bioengineered? Until they do that, I'm not buying it.

China has no standards in a lot of shyt. Their elevators eat people there for god sake . So the fact security was weak and safety standards were lacking is not surprising but even so this is still not proof that this either was bioengineered or escaped from the lab.

Again, all that is being asked is to show proof. Right now, only speculation has been released. The only hard scientific evidence presented about the origins of the virus up to this point has shown this is organic like most viruses.
The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here's how we know. | Live Science

The Joint Cheifs of Staff for the Pentagon said as recently as yesterday that evidence shows anything but this being man made or escaping from a lab
Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman says evidence suggests coronavirus was not man-made or released from lab

This is the problem by the way with having a guy in office who has no credibility anymore and lies almost every day. At least when previous administrations lied, they had some credibility in other ways or didn't insult our intelligence to such a degree that we knew from the get-go they were lying. No one believes the US anymore, at least to the extent they did before. Lying is so much the norm that is the default expectation now.

Read your article:

“The second issue is, was it accidentally released, did it release naturally into the environment or was it intentional? We don’t have conclusive evidence in any of that, but the weight of evidence is that it was probably not intentional,” he told reporters at the Pentagon.​

 

[Dr. Acula]

Read your article:

“The second issue is, was it accidentally released, did it release naturally into the environment or was it intentional? We don’t have conclusive evidence in any of that, but the weight of evidence is that it was probably not intentional,” he told reporters at the Pentagon.​

But read further down

But Milley since last month has maintained that while the U.S. intelligence community was taking "a hard look" at the theory, it's inconclusive, and “the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural [origin].”

And Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert and a member of the White House coronavirus task force, has dismissed theories the virus was man-made or released accidentally from a Chinese lab. He said available research indicated the virus evolved naturally.

So which one is it?

 

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I'm thinking more along the lines of NSA intercepts.

Theres a reason the DOD knew of this in NOVEMBER.

Theres already open source reporting showing missing lab researchers and theres still no updates on proof of life of some of those workers who are allegedly dead.

The broader story around the following is slowly gaining traction.

Personally I am still ~60/40 on this and don't have time now but it seems to me that there are some odd things related to Corona Virus research floating around out there.

How reliable is Newsweek? Stripping the "scandal" and "politics" out of the article it seems that Gain of Function research was being done.

Now is there anything in the virus genome that looks out of place? That is the question.

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research

But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release.

Dr. Fauci backed controversial Wuhan lab with U.S. dollars for risky coronavirus research

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But read further down



So which one is it?

Are you stupid?

NATURAL ORIGIN. As in NOT MAN MADE

Do you know anything about viruses?

It was a natural virus. From Bats.

Its not man made. In that there was no proof this was a gain of function bioweapon.

The question is if it came from a lab leak OR the wet market. The CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF said he wasn't ruling that out. Thats a HUGE red flag.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The broader story around the following is slowly gaining traction.

Personally I am still ~60/40 on this and don't have time now but it seems to me that there are some odd things related to Corona Virus research floating around out there.

How reliable is Newsweek? Stripping the "scandal" and "politics" out of the article it seems that Gain of Function research was being done.

Now is there anything in the virus genome that looks out of place? That is the question.

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research

But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release.

Dr. Fauci backed controversial Wuhan lab with U.S. dollars for risky coronavirus research

Basically this is cross collaboration on risky viruses gone wrong.

I shared articles on this pages ago and I cant find it but yes, the USA and China were working on this shyt to study SARS (for good reasons) and Chinese labs with shytty protocols accidentally got sick and it spread from there.

 

[Dr. Acula]

We'll see what happens but I predict, in a month or two or after the election this theory will have a slow death and disappear. Depending not he attention span of this administration and if the political calculus and internal polling tells them this is a winning strategy or not.

I'm willing to accept I'm wrong if it turns out I'm wrong but if we're weighing evidence, it seems to me there is more evidence this is a line of bullshyt

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

We'll see what happens but I predict, in a month or two or after the election this theory will have a slow death and disappear. Depending not he attention span of this administration and if the political calculus and internal polling tells them this is a winning strategy or not.

I'm willing to accept I'm wrong if it turns out I'm wrong but if we're weighing evidence, it seems to me there is more evidence this is a line of bullshyt

I don't care about Trump. I'm talking about the reporting from the state department, DoD, and things going back 5 years ago about the risk of this research and the proven links between UT Medical center and Wuhan.

IDK why this has to be bullshyt. China's not your friend here.

Trump's a racist dikkhead. And? Whats that got to do with the core of the story?

The Wet Market thing is bullshyt and most people know it.... and yes, wet markets are still disgusting reservoirs of disease.

However, the signatures are blaring at us. This came from the lab, accidentally.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Are you stupid?

NATURAL ORIGIN. As in NOT MAN MADE

Do you know anything about viruses?

It was a natural virus. From Bats.

Its not man made. In that there was no proof this was a gain of function bioweapon.

The question is if it came from a lab leak OR the wet market. The CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF said he wasn't ruling that out. Thats a HUGE red flag.

Watch your tone boy. Again, there is no evidence it escaped from a lab either. Just speculation. Your John Schindler piece was a puff piece of this guy wanking himself off about the awesomeness of the US intelligence apparatus instead of hard proof and thorough detail of how they know this escaped a lab.

You really are a sucker for the government line, especially a government currently staffed by people who lie about the smallest things almost everyday. At least Bush when he lied about WMDs got Britain to sign on to the bullshyt. The US doesn't have enough people right now to sign on this bullshyt to make it appear credible. They need more people

The Australians a few days ago came out and said there no evidence of this. No other intelligence organizations have signed on this or cosigned it.

 

[easymoneysniper]

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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Watch your tone boy. Again, there is no evidence it escaped from a lab either. Just speculation. Your John Schindler piece was a puff piece of this guy wanking himself off about the awesomeness of the US intelligence apparatus instead of hard proof and thorough detail of how they know this escaped a lab.

You really are a sucker for the government line, especially a government currently staffed by people who lie about the smallest things almost everyday. At least Bush when he lied about WMDs got Britain to sign on to the bullshyt. The US doesn't have enough people right now to sign on this bullshyt to make it appear credible. They need more people

OK. You wanna play this game?

You ain't gotta fukk with Trump, but you're not going to suck up to the Chinese government either my dude. Pick a side.

Theres no evidence it came from the wet markets either





https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...75d488-7521-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

How did covid-19 begin? Its initial origin story is shaky.
The story of how the novel coronavirus emerged in Wuhan, China, has produced a nasty propaganda battle between the United States and China. The two sides have traded some of the sharpest charges made between two nations since the Soviet Union in 1985 falsely accused the CIA of manufacturing AIDS.
U.S. intelligence officials don’t think the pandemic was caused by deliberate wrongdoing. The outbreak that has now swept the world instead began with a simpler story, albeit one with tragic consequences: The prime suspect is “natural” transmission from bats to humans, perhaps through unsanitary markets. But scientists don’t rule out that an accident at a research laboratory in Wuhan might have spread a deadly bat virus that had been collected for scientific study.

“Good science, bad safety” is how Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) put this theory in a Feb. 16 tweet. He ranked such a breach (or natural transmission) as more likely than two extreme possibilities: an accidental leak of an “engineered bioweapon” or a “deliberate release.” Cotton’s earlier loose talk about bioweapons set off a furor, back when he first raised it in late January and called the outbreak “worse than Chernobyl.”

President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo added to the bile last month by describing the coronavirus as the “Chinese virus” and the “Wuhan virus,” respectively.
China dished wild, irresponsible allegations of its own. On March 12, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao charged in a tweet: “It might be [the] US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan.” He retweeted an article that claimed, without evidence, that U.S. troops might have spread the virus when they attended the World Military Games in Wuhan in October 2019.

China retreated on March 22, when Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai told “Axios on HBO” that such rumors were “crazy” on both sides. A State Department spokesman said Cui’s comment was “welcome,” and Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged in a March 27 phone call to “focus on cooperative behavior,” a senior administration official told me

To be clear: U.S. intelligence officials think there’s no evidence whatsoever that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory as a potential bioweapon. Solid scientific research demonstrates that the virus wasn’t engineered by humans and that it originated in bats.

But how did the outbreak occur? Solving this medical mystery is important to prevent future pandemics. What’s increasingly clear is that the initial “origin story” — that the virus was spread by people who ate contaminated animals at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan — is shaky.

Scientists have identified the culprit as a bat coronavirus, through genetic sequencing; bats weren’t sold at the seafood market, although that market or others could have sold animals that had contact with bats. The Lancet noted in a January study that the first covid-19 case in Wuhan had no connection to the seafood market.

There’s a competing theory — of an accidental lab release of bat coronavirus — that scientists have been puzzling about for weeks. Less than 300 yards from the seafood market is the Wuhan branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Researchers from that facility and the nearby Wuhan Institute of Virology have posted articles about collecting bat coronaviruses from around China, for study to prevent future illness. Did one of those samples leak, or was hazardous waste deposited in a place where it could spread?

Richard Ebright, a Rutgers microbiologist and biosafety expert, told me in an email that “the first human infection could have occurred as a natural accident,” with the virus passing from bat to human, possibly through another animal. But Ebright cautioned that it “also could have occurred as a laboratory accident, with, for example, an accidental infection of a laboratory worker.” He noted that bat coronaviruses were studied in Wuhan at Biosafety Level 2, “which provides only minimal protection,” compared with the top BSL-4.

Ebright described a December video from the Wuhan CDC that shows staffers “collecting bat coronaviruses with inadequate [personal protective equipment] and unsafe operational practices.” Separately, I reviewed two Chinese articles, from 2017 and 2019, describing the heroics of Wuhan CDC researcher Tian Junhua, who while capturing bats in a cave “forgot to take protective measures” so that “bat urine dripped from the top of his head like raindrops.”

And then there’s the Chinese study that was curiously withdrawn. In February, a site called ResearchGate published a brief article by Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao from Guangzhou’s South China University of Technology. “In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in high risk biohazardous laboratories,” the article concluded. Botao Xiao told the Wall Street Journal in February that he had withdrawn the paper because it “was not supported by direct proofs.”

Accidents happen, human or laboratory. Solving the mystery of how covid-19 began isn’t a blame game, but a chance for China and the United States to cooperate in a crisis, and prevent a future one.​

 

[Rickdogg44]

They’ll find a treatment drug way before they’ll find a vaccine

I've always thought this... something to treat it vs vaccine. Hopefully allows something safe to treat people sooner

 

[Spliff]

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Wow

What was it?

 

[Rickdogg44]

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Wow

What was it about? I didn't get a chance to see it

 

[Dr. Acula]

OK. You wanna play this game?

You ain't gotta fukk with Trump, but you're not going to suck up to the Chinese government either my dude. Pick a side.

Theres no evidence it came from the wet markets either





https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...75d488-7521-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

How did covid-19 begin? Its initial origin story is shaky.
The story of how the novel coronavirus emerged in Wuhan, China, has produced a nasty propaganda battle between the United States and China. The two sides have traded some of the sharpest charges made between two nations since the Soviet Union in 1985 falsely accused the CIA of manufacturing AIDS.
U.S. intelligence officials don’t think the pandemic was caused by deliberate wrongdoing. The outbreak that has now swept the world instead began with a simpler story, albeit one with tragic consequences: The prime suspect is “natural” transmission from bats to humans, perhaps through unsanitary markets. But scientists don’t rule out that an accident at a research laboratory in Wuhan might have spread a deadly bat virus that had been collected for scientific study.

“Good science, bad safety” is how Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) put this theory in a Feb. 16 tweet. He ranked such a breach (or natural transmission) as more likely than two extreme possibilities: an accidental leak of an “engineered bioweapon” or a “deliberate release.” Cotton’s earlier loose talk about bioweapons set off a furor, back when he first raised it in late January and called the outbreak “worse than Chernobyl.”

President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo added to the bile last month by describing the coronavirus as the “Chinese virus” and the “Wuhan virus,” respectively.
China dished wild, irresponsible allegations of its own. On March 12, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao charged in a tweet: “It might be [the] US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan.” He retweeted an article that claimed, without evidence, that U.S. troops might have spread the virus when they attended the World Military Games in Wuhan in October 2019.

China retreated on March 22, when Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai told “Axios on HBO” that such rumors were “crazy” on both sides. A State Department spokesman said Cui’s comment was “welcome,” and Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged in a March 27 phone call to “focus on cooperative behavior,” a senior administration official told me

To be clear: U.S. intelligence officials think there’s no evidence whatsoever that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory as a potential bioweapon. Solid scientific research demonstrates that the virus wasn’t engineered by humans and that it originated in bats.

But how did the outbreak occur? Solving this medical mystery is important to prevent future pandemics. What’s increasingly clear is that the initial “origin story” — that the virus was spread by people who ate contaminated animals at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan — is shaky.

Scientists have identified the culprit as a bat coronavirus, through genetic sequencing; bats weren’t sold at the seafood market, although that market or others could have sold animals that had contact with bats. The Lancet noted in a January study that the first covid-19 case in Wuhan had no connection to the seafood market.

There’s a competing theory — of an accidental lab release of bat coronavirus — that scientists have been puzzling about for weeks. Less than 300 yards from the seafood market is the Wuhan branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Researchers from that facility and the nearby Wuhan Institute of Virology have posted articles about collecting bat coronaviruses from around China, for study to prevent future illness. Did one of those samples leak, or was hazardous waste deposited in a place where it could spread?

Richard Ebright, a Rutgers microbiologist and biosafety expert, told me in an email that “the first human infection could have occurred as a natural accident,” with the virus passing from bat to human, possibly through another animal. But Ebright cautioned that it “also could have occurred as a laboratory accident, with, for example, an accidental infection of a laboratory worker.” He noted that bat coronaviruses were studied in Wuhan at Biosafety Level 2, “which provides only minimal protection,” compared with the top BSL-4.

Ebright described a December video from the Wuhan CDC that shows staffers “collecting bat coronaviruses with inadequate [personal protective equipment] and unsafe operational practices.” Separately, I reviewed two Chinese articles, from 2017 and 2019, describing the heroics of Wuhan CDC researcher Tian Junhua, who while capturing bats in a cave “forgot to take protective measures” so that “bat urine dripped from the top of his head like raindrops.”

And then there’s the Chinese study that was curiously withdrawn. In February, a site called ResearchGate published a brief article by Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao from Guangzhou’s South China University of Technology. “In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in high risk biohazardous laboratories,” the article concluded. Botao Xiao told the Wall Street Journal in February that he had withdrawn the paper because it “was not supported by direct proofs.”

Accidents happen, human or laboratory. Solving the mystery of how covid-19 began isn’t a blame game, but a chance for China and the United States to cooperate in a crisis, and prevent a future one.​

You don't have to pick a side. All I'm doing is calling out the bullshyt of the US government, because 1.) I live in the US and 2.) Just because I feel China has some responsibility as it relates to failure to close the wet market down doesn't mean I'm just going to willingly swallow a load of bullshyt to "get back at the Chinese".

You don't have to pick a side, you can simultaneously believe China has some fault for how this initially started and also call out your government when they are spouting bullshyt.

Again, there is a simple solution to this. Show the evidence. Not speculation. Even the stuff in this article you highlight in big bold red letters is speculative language. Nothing showed. No evidence has been provided for this. Zero. Nada. Nothing.

That is the bottom line. Until then, I ain't buying the bullshyt, and I'm willing to gamble there will never be any evidence presented and this will quietly disappear from the government line when its no longer of any use.

Here is the situation. On one hand, I have scientists and people who seem much more objective heavily believing it happened because of the wet market connection. On the other hand, you have POLITICIANS pushing a line without any evidence presented. Why should I believe the latter over the former? Because elaborate conspiracy theories are more sexy?